Those a like buzzword at the moment or at least last year. But do you think Star Trek 2009 should have been more dark and gritty?. There's no doubt as any movie that there was very dramatic event happening. But the angle they took to the whole situation was more action and humor.
Should Star Trek 2009 been more dark and gritty?
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No.. by all means no.
There has to be a balance to everything and Batman currently fills the dark and gritty very well so there has to be something "lighter", more fun and adventureous movie though i wouldn't mind a villain as well played and written as The Joker.
There has to be a balance to everything and Batman currently fills the dark and gritty very well so there has to be something "lighter", more fun and adventureous movie though i wouldn't mind a villain as well played and written as The Joker.
No - it wanted to be action-adventure with fun and humour. That seems to have grabbed the general audience. It was certainly dark in places - some very serious things happened - but I think they got the tone right.
I will answer this simply: NO. Despite claims that this movie is more like SW than ST, its the way the movie's universe is presented that is a big part of ST's past. A good example is Terminator Salvation, its SO dark and gritty and depressing many people are staying away, while ST 09 is getting a lot of repeat viewing. ST has to be ultimately positive!
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If I feel like watching something dark and gritty, I'll watch some nuBSG. I like shiny ST. I like lens flare. How can you have lens flare when you're going for dark and gritty? Doesn't work.
No, it should have been better, without plot-holes.
To put it simply--no.
Star Trek XI put the fun back into Star Trek. Why start killing it again? Let the other franchises do the dark and gritty stuff...
Star Trek XI put the fun back into Star Trek. Why start killing it again? Let the other franchises do the dark and gritty stuff...
No. Do NOT make Trek like nuBSG. It's not supposed to be like that. Trek is, by definition, hopeful, optimistic and fun. Darkness and grit are almost, but not quite, entirely foreign concepts here.
Agree with most everyone above, but that being said, let's not rule out that in this new timeline Kirk and Spock are both scarred in ways that the old Kirk and Spock were not (e.g., Kirk raised without a dad and Spock witnessing his planet's destruction and mom's murder). So we might justifiably see a tad more darkness and grittiness. Hopefully not too much, though.
DS9 was the dark n gritty of Trek. Voyager could have used more. TOS, on the other hand, is the positive, yet macho section of Trek.
I'm pleased to see the consensus that Trek should remain bright and hopeful.
It seemed for a long time that every science fiction series or movie that came out in the past 30 years went out of its way to be "not Trek" by being dark, dirty, dingy, and depressing.
That got old.
Trek popularity waxes and wanes with the times, but it stays true to itself for the most part during all of its various incarnations. Even the darker Treks (DS9 for example) maintained a hopeful future. That is the real power of the franchise.
It seemed for a long time that every science fiction series or movie that came out in the past 30 years went out of its way to be "not Trek" by being dark, dirty, dingy, and depressing.
That got old.
Trek popularity waxes and wanes with the times, but it stays true to itself for the most part during all of its various incarnations. Even the darker Treks (DS9 for example) maintained a hopeful future. That is the real power of the franchise.
Well, the thing that NuBSG (the poster child for modern dark n' gritty science fiction) did, though TOSsers are loathe to recognize this, is that it maintained an element of hope, however faint at times.
It was dim, it was distant, but it never died. And that is why it worked for me. No matter how dark, there was always that element, that if only we hang on...if we live just a little longer.
I find that more convincing than the "shiny, happy" version of hope that TOS-BSG maintained.
TOS-Trek wasn't about survival during adversity, though. It was about a civilization in it's prime, a galaxy full of possibilities and seeing what's out there with a brave face and curious mind. And when necessary, leaping into danger and fending off threats against long odds.
Abrams nailed that perfectly.
It was dim, it was distant, but it never died. And that is why it worked for me. No matter how dark, there was always that element, that if only we hang on...if we live just a little longer.
I find that more convincing than the "shiny, happy" version of hope that TOS-BSG maintained.
TOS-Trek wasn't about survival during adversity, though. It was about a civilization in it's prime, a galaxy full of possibilities and seeing what's out there with a brave face and curious mind. And when necessary, leaping into danger and fending off threats against long odds.
Abrams nailed that perfectly.
I guess it's much more of a struggle to be optimistic when you're traumatised.... so that makes it even cooler.
Excellent point! Overcoming adversity, triumphing over tragedy, will make future stories more poignant.
Glad to be of help. Sometimes, even I have an intelligent thing to say.
No. Star Trek did need a new look and ensensemble of actors so we didn't have "a group of old people running around" but we did not need a "Batman" (1989) & "Batman Returns" (1992) visual style & tone dark and heavy film.
Science Fiction does not have to be dark and scary. Hollywood alienate certain types of moviegoers who want a story but do not want a sub-genre sci-fi horror film like "Event Horizon" or "Alien"(1979). ST:XI is a little like "Galaxy Quest" the film in how it has humor, action and sci-fi.
I am so glad that this film was not handled like "The Bourne Supremecy" & "The Bourne Ultimatum". That handheld and grainy look and style of cutting and focal lengths during action scenes would have really hurt ST:XI.
There was enough dark style and tone for the Borg enemy & the Borg Cube interiors during the Trek TNG feature films.
"Nemesis" had enough dark visual style even on the Enterprise-E. You can see that when watching the behind-the-scenes of "Nemesis" how much light there was on the set but the film cameras were exposing for a certain dark look.
Science Fiction does not have to be dark and scary. Hollywood alienate certain types of moviegoers who want a story but do not want a sub-genre sci-fi horror film like "Event Horizon" or "Alien"(1979). ST:XI is a little like "Galaxy Quest" the film in how it has humor, action and sci-fi.
I am so glad that this film was not handled like "The Bourne Supremecy" & "The Bourne Ultimatum". That handheld and grainy look and style of cutting and focal lengths during action scenes would have really hurt ST:XI.
There was enough dark style and tone for the Borg enemy & the Borg Cube interiors during the Trek TNG feature films.
"Nemesis" had enough dark visual style even on the Enterprise-E. You can see that when watching the behind-the-scenes of "Nemesis" how much light there was on the set but the film cameras were exposing for a certain dark look.
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Both the tone and look were right on target.
The events that occurred in the movie seemed pretty "dark." It's just that the characters didn't waste a lot of time moaning and groaning and hitting the tranya...
The events that occurred in the movie seemed pretty "dark." It's just that the characters didn't waste a lot of time moaning and groaning and hitting the tranya...
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