Should Kirk be bisexual?

[Awesome Possum]

They should have a scene like on that episode of The Office (US version) where they found out Oscar was gay. Creed was discussing his days as a hippie, it basically amounted to he made love to a lot of women in the mud and it was possible a few guys were there as well.

 

[T'Paul]

Canon-wise, I don't think a bisexual Kirk would make sense. But I think another major character should have been gay or bisexual.

 

[Finnegan]

They should have a scene like on that episode of The Office (US version) where they found out Oscar was gay. Creed was discussing his days as a hippie, it basically amounted to he made love to a lot of women in the mud and it was possible a few guys were there as well.

No, no--let's just extrapolate from today's "modern" and "PC" masculinity hating culture, and envision, quite properly, that all heterosexual men in the Star Trek universe are exiled to the dilithium mines at Rua Pente--better known as the heterosexuals graveyard.....get bent, all of you.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

I hope you're not suggesting that people who aren't bisexual (i.e. who are only attracted to one gender) are prejudiced.

As for Kirk: It's not like he "should" be bi. It's that we already *know* he isn't. We've seen it. This new film may be a quasi-reboot, but there are certain things they just don't change. This isn't nuBSG-Trek, after all.

Some sexperts say that hardly anyone on earth is 100 % either way, we're all somewhere in the middle.

I'm sure some experts do say that. I'm also sure that some experts are full of crap. Perhaps some proportion of those groups tend to intersect.

seriously though, I don't buy into that Kinsey crap. Some people really are 100% one way or the other. And from all the evidence we've seen, Kirk is one such person.

I have nothing against gays or bis (I defy anyone to quote anything I've ever said here to indicate otherwise) but one thing that really does kind of piss me off is when it's implied that being straight is somehow less 'evolved', less 'PC', less 'cool' or 'contemporary' than other orientations. That's why it's often more about ego than about sex. Jack Harkness thinks he's so cool 'cuz he nails anything that moves...well, bully for him. I'll make sure and put on my CARE face when I can find it.

 

[QuasarVM]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

Yes. Or perhaps he should be trisexual like Andy Dick recently claimed he is. Story be damned, let's try and break as many social taboos as possible, shall we?

Okay...this is not at all necessary either.

Guys...seriously. I'm liking the direction of this thread less and less every minute.

But then, this thread had 'This Will Not End Well' written all over it, from the start. *sigh*

Sex, Religion and Politics...topics begging to turn into an online trainwreck.

I say lock the thread.

Oh, and PKTrekGirl...I find your position on this issue refreshing. Quite the opposite of many other Trek boards.

I'm impressed to say the least.

As for gays and bi on Star Trek -- I say keep away from it. There's PLENTY of other modern day series that feel compelled to wallow in this lifestyle. I don't think Star Trek should be a part of that. It would be nice if Star Trek could remain quality FAMILY entertainment...and one not pushing a specific agenda or lifestyle choice.

I'd rather see stories about extraordinary people in extraordinary situations...and have the drama come out of that without having to pause the drama to have the characters stop and say "Oh and by the way, I am gay" or "Oh and by the way, I am bi".

Just as in real life -- WHO CARES???!!!! We don't need to know one way or the other.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Star Trek is a show that's aired *now*, not in the future. So we obviously won't see everyone running around in the nude because they've done away with prudeness.

Didn't Gene Roddenberry suggest (in his novelization of ST:TMP) that people in the 23rd century would actually do that?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Star Trek is a show that's aired *now*, not in the future. So we obviously won't see everyone running around in the nude because they've done away with prudeness.

Didn't Gene Roddenberry suggest (in his novelization of ST:TMP) that people in the 23rd century would actually do that?

I know that modesty is dead by the 31st Century.

 

[RAMA]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

No Kirk doesn't need to be. There's no point based on the story. You can fight prejudice without being gay or black, etc.

RAMA

 

[Civil Shadow]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

No Kirk doesn't need to be. There's no point based on the story. You can fight prejudice without being gay or black, etc.

RAMA

Kirk doesn't need to be straight as an arrow, either.

Like I said (or attempted to say), it would be illogical to assume that alien bits and pieces are the same shape as our bits and pieces. That Orion chick could have been hung like a spotted hyena, for all we know. (They've just learned to tuck extremely well. Maybe.)

Kirk definitely prefers women, but...yeah. If he digs aliens - which he does - then he digs sexual adventure. Where he draws the line hasn't been determined on-screen.

Should he be bisexual? It shouldn't be outright denied.

 

[Finnegan]

I outright deny it. Captain Kirk is not bisexual.

 

[T'Paul]

I outright deny it. Captain Kirk is not bisexual.

I outright declare it. Captain Kirk is bisexual.

 

[Dale]

I think the proper TEH BABA format for a post such as this would not include all that talky stuff in the OP. All you should write is, "should he?"

I don't get "TEH BABA"?

Don't worry about it. No one gets TEH BABA.

But the point of all the "talky stuff" is to justify my position on the question I posed which is I think he'd shag most things that move within a certain spectrum of attractiveness of course (the man has taste).

James T. Kirk likes girls. End of story.

 

[T'Paul]

James T. Kirk likes girls. End of story.

How do you know he doesn't like guys?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

Why? Would you hit it?
Queens never cease to amaze

What a disaster of an idea. I'd rather they killed the character off for good, never to reappear, than make this iconic character "gay". What a bunch of B.S. Must everything--every childhood idol, every piece of entertainment, every facet of heterosexuality and masculinity be turned on it's head to satisfy some militant homosexual PC agenda? Modern? Nothing can be "modern" now unless it's gay? Revolutionary? Star Trek cannot be "revolutionary" anymore unless Kirk is depicted on his knees at some 23rd century glory hole? The mind truly boggles....

They should have a scene like on that episode of The Office (US version) where they found out Oscar was gay. Creed was discussing his days as a hippie, it basically amounted to he made love to a lot of women in the mud and it was possible a few guys were there as well.

No, no--let's just extrapolate from today's "modern" and "PC" masculinity hating culture, and envision, quite properly, that all heterosexual men in the Star Trek universe are exiled to the dilithium mines at Rua Pente--better known as the heterosexuals graveyard.....get bent, all of you.

I outright deny it. Captain Kirk is not bisexual.

I outright declare it. Captain Kirk is bisexual.

OK.

I think that about wraps it up.

Thanks for playing the the latest version of Threads That Will Not End Well: The 'Gay People In Trek' Edition.