Should I watch Picard?

[Taejang]

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments! It sounds like season 3 isn't actually tied to season 2 much, and folks feel season 3 is more in line with TNG, so I'll probably give it a shot.

Why a refusal to even touch Discovery? Why the avoidance of SNW?

I wouldn't say I'm avoiding SNW per se, other than I didn't like Picard s1 and what I'd heard about Discovery made me give up on the newer shows entirely. I don't actually know anything about SNW, good or bad, and I'm revisiting the decision to give up on the newer shows, hence this topic.

As for Discovery... everything I heard about it on release was bad. The plot, the acting, the Klingons, the woke, most especially how the main female lead acted (not the actress, but how the character was written). I'll be honest, I haven't paid any attention to it after seeing discussion about the first few episodes; maybe it got better? Maybe the discussion I saw was biased or just plain wrong? I'm starting with Picard first, then I'll re-evaluate other shows I've skipped. (And it was a typo to say "refuse"; I meant "refused", as in past tense.)

OP stated that he forced himself to finish season 1. Why? Why on Earth would you force yourself to sacrifice time on something you dislike? I will never understand this.

I legitimately thought this was some version of the mirror universe or something. We've seen the future of the Federation before, many times, and it didn't line up with the show. And there were elements I did like (7 of 9, anyone?). And I clung on to hope that it would get better. But it didn't.

High five! I will not go into my entire train of thought on why I think that Luke's road as a character made a lot of sense. This is the Picard section of the forum, so I'll leave it at that.

It wasn't where Luke ended up that I took umbrage with, it was how he got there. The guy who saw the good in Vader freaked out about Ben? It's an old discussion though, we're unlikely to break any new ground there.

 

[Mage]

It's an old discussion though, we're unlikely to break any new ground there.

You're the one who brought it up buddy, not me.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't actually know anything about SNW, good or bad, and I'm revisiting the decision to give up on the newer shows, hence this topic.

Smart idea because SNW is pretty much the opposite in approach in comparison to Discovery.

 

[Taejang]

You're the one who brought it up buddy, not me.

Fair point, although I was using it as a comparison to Picard, not really to discuss Luke directly. Then again, you only stated an opinion, so my commenting again was pretty unnecessary. My bad

 

[Mage]

Fair point, although I was using it as a comparison to Picard, not really to discuss Luke directly. Then again, you only stated an opinion, so my commenting again was pretty unnecessary. My bad

All good. I appreciate a good discussion about the character of Luke, but as we both stated, this is not the place for it.

 

[Tenacity]

I mean, I get watching and stopping after a few episodes because you don’t like it. But refusing to even give something a chance? Seems personal.

If you develop trust in the opinions of select others, it perfectly alright to listen to those opinions.

 

[HotRod]

If you develop trust in the opinions of select others, it perfectly alright to listen to those opinions.

Nah. I like to see things for myself. But that me.

 

[Orac]

It's terrible, don't waste your time. Get a good book from the library instead, it'll be a much better use of your free time.

 

[Lord Garth]

I never go by Internet Comments or Reviews when deciding if I want to watch something. I use them as a guide, but I never allow them to be the deciding factor. If I did, I'd never watch anything that's been made in the 21st Century.

So now, having said that, I'll be a total hypocrite and say...

folks feel season 3 is more in line with TNG, so I'll probably give it a shot.

Go for it! You won't be sorry.

 

[DonIago]

The obvious compromise here is to watch every other episode of the series.

 

[Orac]

The odd numbered episodes are bad and the even numbered episodes are even worse.

 

[fireproof78]

The odd numbered episodes are bad and the even numbered episodes are even worse.

What about the prime episodes?

 

[Orac]

I found the advanced geriatric appearance of the actors from Star Trek The Next Generation on this programme depressing, in particular Patty Stewart. Why didn't they let them retire with dignity? Those images of decrepit Picard are on film forever now. Also Riker's story arc about overcoming depression was poorly written. Paramount should sack all their writers and hire some better ones. The mediocre writing was helped by good set design and clever lighting though. Don't sack those people.

What about the prime episodes?

Since there are less prime numbered episodes than odd or even numbered episodes just watching those would probbly be less injurious to the typical human mind. However if you are a masochist you should definitely watch every episode.

Of course that's just my opinion. Yours may vary.

 

[fireproof78]

Since there are less prime numbered episodes than odd or even numbered episodes just watching those would probbly be less injurious to the typical human mind.

Also, injurious? Are we at this point?

Reminds me of the joke my friends made about the Star Wars prequels: you know that phrase at the end of the film credits that says "If you have any comments or concerns about the presentation of this picture please call..." and suggesting calling and complaining about it.

 

[Lord Garth]

I found the advanced geriatric appearance of the actors from Star Trek The Next Generation on this programme depressing, in particular Patty Stewart. Why didn't they let them retire with dignity? Those images of decrepit Picard are on film forever now. Also Riker's story arc about overcoming depression was poorly written. Paramount should sack all their writers and hire some better ones. The mediocre writing was helped by good set design and clever lighting though. Don't sack those people.

First, that's ageist. People get older.

Second, TNG didn't retire with dignity the last saw of them together before this. Nemesis felt depressing, and not just because Data died. Who wants to end on a note like that? Despite what people might say now, they hated NEM when it was released. I know, I saw the dismal box office, I was posting on this board and was a moderator. I saw the reactions. People weren't happy with NEM either.

Once recency bias wears off and people are able to watch the TNG Movies and then watch PIC Season 3, they'll be able to understand. A lot of you are too caught up in Right Now and aren't seeing the Bigger Picture. The TNG Films now feel complete. Just like the TOS Films felt complete when they ended with TUC.

 

[Orac]

You've changed my mind. I love it.

 

[donners22]

As for Discovery... everything I heard about it on release was bad. The plot, the acting, the Klingons, the woke, most especially how the main female lead acted (not the actress, but how the character was written). I'll be honest, I haven't paid any attention to it after seeing discussion about the first few episodes; maybe it got better? Maybe the discussion I saw was biased or just plain wrong? I'm starting with Picard first, then I'll re-evaluate other shows I've skipped. (And it was a typo to say "refuse"; I meant "refused", as in past tense.)

Honestly, if you pay attention to those who use "woke" as a pejorative term, and find that a significant factor enough to list it as a reason to avoid...just stay away from it. That mindset is going to poison your perception of the show.

 

[DonIago]

Seeing the term 'woke' used as a criticism always raises my eyebrows.

If anything, I'd consider 'wokeness' a factor in Discovery's favor.

 

[The Wormhole]

Star Trek was woke well before that term in that context became so en vogue.

 

[fireproof78]

I prefer egalitarian.