People suck.
Should a Pike show take the Orville approach?
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Which is why we watch a show about them?
People say that but here I am. Still a 49 year old virgin.
You just haven't met the right suck-y people.
They can be entertaining
I have to admit, with this news of a "Muppet Pike," I think I've finally reached my limit of cutesy and comedic episodes.
Enterprise should have tapped into the TOS vibe but, whether by accident or design, ended up with a TNG vibe that wasn't as effective.
That's because neither Berman or Braga ever really watched TOS. They may have looked at it, but no, they didn't watch it.
When they got Manny Coto into the writing staff and started to cede control (due to burnout) in ENT S3 and especially S4 that's when you saw a shit to a more TOS style vide and storylines because Manny Coto HAD watched STAR TREK.
It was definitely shaping up nicely by season 4.
i'd say the Orville by its season 3, took itself more seriously than SNW does, by its season 3
I agree, The Orville did lose its charm by its third season.
Eh, SNW does serious episodes. Even in season three.
Did Orville get better characters in Season 3? Because being serious wasn't that show's problem.
There was some good episodes in Season 1 and 2, that felt as good as some Trek or SG-1. But, the characters continue as the weakest part, with Mercer and Malloy being at the top, sadly.
Another thought occurs, remember the Batman effect from 1966 when shows like "The Man From Uncle" and "Lost in Space" ditched their original formats and formulas to chase audiences? That didn't end well. There is an old Vulcan proverb, "To thine own self be true." or was that Shakespeare? Or part of it used for a TNG title, it's hard to keep up... 
If SNL can't be its own thing then why ape or parrot something else?
If SNL can't be its own thing then why ape or parrot something else?
From what little I bothered with, no. "Season 2 on steroids", especially where it didn't work (Kaylon). The new characters were ill-placed and not well written (not even as perceiving it as self-parody, which rarely does any show any good), the three major multi-season arcs (Kaylon, Moclan, Krill) all felt horribly rushed, in part to make room for filler episodes, in seasons that lacked the episode count to allow filler fun to begin with.
Season 2 had a better balance of drama and comedy, but with scripts that were so cliché and predictable (specifically "Lasting Impressions" and " Identity pt 2" (pt 1 was excellent, pt 2 just crashes and burns and ditched what the Kaylon were at their core (machine beings that kill all things biological and have the might and processing speed to figure out anything they need, rendering "surrender or die" and other shtick contrived and pointless. Rewatch the stories and see for yourself, don't take my word for it as this is all still entertainment and there are positives in the seasons than can compensate for what doesn't work. "Blood of Patriots" had a couple of cool twists, raising it far above...) )
Season 3 is defined as "po-faced" to a T, a term attributed to other shows undeservedly but fits here perfectly. Orville lost its roots and mixture that made it work, and trying to take seriously the Kaylon threat where they don't treat the baddies by the own rules made for them for cheap plot runarounds, it gets to be whiplash going back and forth and credibility was dropped faster than the primary, unprocessed raw ingredient in a french fry factory.
After cast interviews regarding season 4, if it's even made, it's not worth looking at. At least "Firefly" didn't have the dragging along, and it was a tighter-written show.
Manny's style was definitely in the right direction and the show actually felt like it had some new ideas again. Some fanwank too, but Trek hadn't felt as alive in a long time. IMHO, YMMV, EIEIO, ETC...
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