Ships overall strength

[jpch]

i decided to make 3 stats that represent the ships overall power.
i will round it up with Firepower,Defense,Speeds.

Firepower

= Phasers(number of arrays/type,i wont consider power output since it was never stated on screen)

Disruptor or other weapons(greatly increase that stat if available)

Torpedo Launchers/Tubes(How many the ship can fire and the intervals between barrages)

Torpedo Type/Mark/yield


Additional armaments like mines/Subspace charges/warheads/tricobalt/Cloak etc...




Defense

= Hull armor if available + to that stat

Hull Volume ( the larger the better for damage control)

Structural integrity fields that maintain the ship together even after taking a huge beating(taken into consideration from on screen evidence)

Shields ( also on screen evidence)




Speeds

=Maximum Warp speed

Impulse speed ( on screen evidence comparison between the ships)

Maneuverability (also comparing ships)

Handling (taken into consideration with ability to Land and atmospheric flight etc...)



The Most Popular Ships :


Galaxy Class :

(3 dominion fighters kept pounding on 1 and couldn't destroy it unless they rammed its warp core,displayed heavy Firepower as well,but kinda slow and stationery in most battles)

Firepower : 7/10
Defense : 8/10
Speed : 5/10




Defiant Class :

(official Star fleet Warship,we all saw on STDS9 how she kills dominion fighters,BoP,Galors,Keldons,Breen warships...tho even at 80% shields we saw massive discharge inside and even bulkheads exploding...lacks defense but has a big punch)(ablative upgrades are not official for the class)

Firepower : 10/10
Defense : 3/10
Speed : 7/10



Intrepid Class :

(most advanced ship of the fleet, has the newest mark 9 core so fastest at warp capable of 9.975[before Prometheus] and impulse,mostly based around agility and above average offensive defensive ability was referenced as the only Fed Ship quick and smart enough to maneuver plasma storms of the badlands...)

Firepower : 6/10
Defense : 6/10
Speed : 8/10




Sovereign Class :

(i don't think i need to say anything about the strongest ship in the fleet XD just look at STNemesis)

Firepower : 9/10
Defense : 10/10
Speed : 7/10




Prometheus Class :

(Designed for Deep space tactical missions,has ablative hull armor,regenerative shielding and Multi-vector assault mode.
Warp 9.995 capable,destroyed a lightly damaged Romulan warbird[said on screen to be more powerful then a Galaxy class] with 3 phaser blasts while in MVAM.

Firepower : 9/10
Defense : 9/10
Speed : 7/10 (faster at warp,but has less maneuvrability then the Sov when in docked mode)



Nebula Class :

(Designed to multitask depending on its utility pod i will stat the average of all)(1 got destroyed by a Borg cube at wolf 359 while a Galaxy survived so did an Intrepid vs a Tactical cube,so its clearly weaker then both of them)[do not say plot and Hero ships what happens on screen is cannon and not to be questioned by fan speculation)

Firepower : 6/10 (low amount of phaser arrays)
Defense : 6/10
Speed : 6/10




Akira Class :

(Stated by the model creator as a heavy carrier with 15 Torpedo tubes,tho i counted the phasers she has a bad number of arrays...not much info but it seems like a solid ship)[evidence from FC/DS9/VoY]

Firepower : 8/10
Defense : 6/10
Speed : 5/10


i just love to put numbers on the ships just to make them clear and simple XD tell what do you think i tried to be very realistic.

 

[sojourner]

You sir, truly have a one track mind.

 

[T'Girl]

Defiant Class : Would probably down grade her firepower to "average" for a larger Starfleet vessel. A galaxy class could likely hit harder and longer. The same opponent that would make a Defiant's bulkhead explode, would merely rock a galaxy from side to side. The Defiant wasn't a baby battleship, it's a A10 warthog, nothing more.

 

[MacLeod]

How do we know that Ablative Armour is not standard for the class.

We have one line saying "That someone neglegated to inform Starfleet Command it had been upgraded".

Given that the Defiant was the cancelled prototype before being brought back into service and it's designs flaws smoothed out by O'Brien and Sisko during it's tenure at DSN. It is probable that the corrections and alterations were carried over when it went into full scale production.

 

[jpch]

Defiant Class : Would probably down grade her firepower to "average" for a larger Starfleet vessel. A galaxy class could likely hit harder and longer. The same opponent that would make a Defiant's bulkhead explode, would merely rock a galaxy from side to side. The Defiant wasn't a baby battleship, it's a A10 warthog, nothing more.

''The same opponent that would make a Defiant's bulkhead explode, would merely rock a galaxy from side to side'' i gave the Galaxy almost 3 times the defensive ability of a Defiant -.-

lets compare both ships vs same enemies shall we.

jem'Hadar fighters

Galaxy class kept firing and couldn't destroy 1 of them or even disable them.
Defiant fired a 4 pulse phaser blast and destroys 1

BOP

Galaxy class fires phasers at multiple intervals couldn't breach the shields (Duras sister commander :''our shields are holding'')
Defiant destroyed more BOP then i can count on DS9 just with a few blasts.

its kinda weird that you would actually think a galaxy class has more firepower then a defiant while on screen evidence clearly show otherwise.

 

[jpch]

You sir, truly have a one track mind.

is that a Compliment XD?

 

[jpch]

How do we know that Ablative Armour is not standard for the class.

We have one line saying "That someone neglegated to inform Starfleet Command it had been upgraded".

Given that the Defiant was the cancelled prototype before being brought back into service and it's designs flaws smoothed out by O'Brien and Sisko during it's tenure at DSN. It is probable that the corrections and alterations were carried over when it went into full scale production.

Maybe but we have no proof of that,i am just trying to show what is cannon for the class...even with ablative upgrades consider the volume,then compare it to a photon torpedo size...it prob has the lowest damage control of all the ships,and on so many occasions even with full shields its hull integrity was unstable (conduits blowing up etc...)

 

[Sandoval]

Stacks of arbitrary numbers.

What a thrilling discussion topic...

This thread = 1/10

 

[F. King Daniel]

The USS Enterprise: 10000/10

Guest ship of identical design to USS Enterprise: 0/10

 

[T'Girl]

Galaxy class fires phasers at multiple intervals couldn't breach the shields (Duras sister commander :''our shields are holding'') . Defiant destroyed more BOP then i can count on DS9 just with a few blasts.
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Given the wide variety of Klingon ships, in terms on classes, ages, sizes and abilities, that all fall under the umbrella term "BOP," which "BOP" were you referring to?

 

[davisn456]

lets compare both ships vs same enemies shall we.

jem'Hadar fighters

Galaxy class kept firing and couldn't destroy 1 of them or even disable them.
Defiant fired a 4 pulse phaser blast and destroys 1

This isn't necessarily a function of firepower, more likely a function of maneuverability. The Galaxy class can't chase a Jem'Hadar fighter like the Defiant could, so it would make sense that the Defiant could get a more accurate shot than a more powerful one.

If you're referring to the battle between the Odyssey and the Jem'Hadar fighters, the Odyssey had already taken major damage before they started firing at the Jem'Hadar (Odyssey's shields were ineffective against Dominion weapons), so add to the fact that Odyssey's phasers weren't operating at full strength either.

BOP

Galaxy class fires phasers at multiple intervals couldn't breach the shields (Duras sister commander :''our shields are holding'')
Defiant destroyed more BOP then i can count on DS9 just with a few blasts.

Again, the BOP penetrated Enterprise's shelds with a torpedo directly to the engineering hull. That has to cause some kind of damage to power systems. Plus, if I remember correctly Enterprise immediately went into evasive maneuvers (looked like a hard to port maneuver). Transferring power to engines temporarily to get the ship in a better position to fight would make sense, while firing a couple of quick shots to distract them is what looked like was going on there, especially if you're going on visual evidence.

Interesting ideas though...

 

[jpch]

Stacks of arbitrary numbers.

What a thrilling discussion topic...

This thread = 1/10

i noticed that you like to post idiotic remarks everywhere if you don't like it why read or even discuss.
and the numbers are clearly not arbitrary (assuming you can read check beginning of the list) mostly they are based on screen comparisons.

 

[jpch]

Galaxy class fires phasers at multiple intervals couldn't breach the shields (Duras sister commander :''our shields are holding'') . Defiant destroyed more BOP then i can count on DS9 just with a few blasts.
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Given the wide variety of Klingon ships, in terms on classes, ages, sizes and abilities, that all fall under the umbrella term "BOP," which "BOP" were you referring to?

are you serious? BoP its the B'rel bird of prey and since they used the same model on all the series and movies i don't think it matters. compare Generations and DS9 its clear...

 

[sojourner]

It's simple really. The ships were as strong/weak as the plot required. Trying to compare them is folly.

 

[MacLeod]

How do we know that Ablative Armour is not standard for the class.

We have one line saying "That someone neglegated to inform Starfleet Command it had been upgraded".

Given that the Defiant was the cancelled prototype before being brought back into service and it's designs flaws smoothed out by O'Brien and Sisko during it's tenure at DSN. It is probable that the corrections and alterations were carried over when it went into full scale production.

Maybe but we have no proof of that,i am just trying to show what is cannon for the class...even with ablative upgrades consider the volume,then compare it to a photon torpedo size...it prob has the lowest damage control of all the ships,and on so many occasions even with full shields its hull integrity was unstable (conduits blowing up etc...)

We also have no proof it isn't. The Defiant Class also appears to be far more maneouverable than other ships, plus with a lower profile. It could be harder to hit. Thus gaining a defensive advatnage.

 

[T'Girl]

are you serious? BoP its the B'rel bird of prey and since they used the same model on all the series and movies i don't think it matters. compare Generations and DS9 its clear...

These are my personal favorite BOPs, the two in the background are pretty obviously behind the two large Romulan ships (wouldn't make sense to be in front). So their wingspan is at least two/thirds as large as the Romulans width.

In the episode "The Neutral Zone" it is stated that a D'deridex class battlecruiser is twice as long as a Galaxy class. Andrew Probert stated the length is 4,440 feet. That would give the large Klingon BOPs a wingspan of about 2,200 feet. Quite a bit larger than the tiny BOP that Kirk landed to Golden Gate park.

These are the class of ship that I believe the Enterprise Dee fought in Yesterday's Enterprise. Those were referred to as K'vort class battlecruisers. The D'deridex class is also referred to as a battlecrusier.

It is possible that the BOP aft of the Enterprise in the top picture, is the smaller BOP class, what did you call it, a "B'rel?" These tiny and likely weaker B'rel BOPs are perhaps what the Defiant destroyed so easily.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Y'know, I don't think it would've been too much trouble to dab a few little white dots along the rim of the wings, and a few rows across the body, to up the sense of scale a bit.

"B'rel" being the smaller version is misinformaion from the old Trek Ency. IIRC, that term came from "Rascals", which recycled footage of big BoP's from "Yesterday's Enterprise". Generations called the old smaller Duras Bird of Prey a D-12, but they also said it was a long retired class when DS9 was full of them (Ditto Voyager's comment about the D-7 cruisers being retired "decades ago", when DS9 featured them regularly)

 

[T'Girl]

Y'know, I don't think it would've been too much trouble to dab a few little white dots along the rim of the wings, and a few rows across the body, to up the sense of scale a bit.

Would it have been that hard to insert some optical fibers? I don't think there any way around, that "in-universe" the Klingon Bird of Prey comes in a wide variety of sizes. Yes, "out-universe" it the same model being reused.

The old German navy, early twentieth century, used to build their different classes of naval ships so as that they all had the same basic outline, so that when viewed from a distance, a enemy couldn't immediately tell what class of ship they were dealing with. Destroyer, light-heavy-battle cruisers and even battleships looked similar.

Maybe something similar with the Klingon Defense forces, or something completely different.

the old smaller Duras Bird of Prey

One of the Duras sisters remark that their BOP was no match for a Galaxy class starship, it was only Soran's gift of a way to obtain the Enterprise's shield frequency that permitted them to engage with a chance of victory. The Enterprise was likely (as stated previously) damaged with the first hit.

At the end of the battle (iirc) Riker order a "volley" of torpedoes be fired, Worf was able to fire only one.

I don't think the Defiant could have destroyed the type of BOP we saw in The Defector (the Enterprise did destroy one in Yesterday's Enterprise), the type of BOP in Generations is a different story, the Defiant would have carved it up.

I return to my previous contention, the Defiant has the firepower of a typical mid size Starfleet vessel, just in a much smaller package. Take away the "Hero Ship" factor and it's nowhere close to the same realm as ship like the Galaxy, Prometheus, and other modern large and super large Starfleet combat-capable vessels.











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[jpch]

Y'know, I don't think it would've been too much trouble to dab a few little white dots along the rim of the wings, and a few rows across the body, to up the sense of scale a bit.

Would it have been that hard to insert some optical fibers? I don't think there any way around, that "in-universe" the Klingon Bird of Prey comes in a wide variety of sizes. Yes, "out-universe" it the same model being reused.

The old German navy, early twentieth century, used to build their different classes of naval ships so as that they all had the same basic outline, so that when viewed from a distance, a enemy couldn't immediately tell what class of ship they were dealing with. Destroyer, light-heavy-battle cruisers and even battleships looked similar.

Maybe something similar with the Klingon Defense forces, or something completely different.

the old smaller Duras Bird of Prey

One of the Duras sisters remark that their BOP was no match for a Galaxy class starship, it was only Soran's gift of a way to obtain the Enterprise's shield frequency that permitted them to engage with a chance of victory. The Enterprise was likely (as stated previously) damaged with the first hit.

At the end of the battle (iirc) Riker order a "volley" of torpedoes be fired, Worf was able to fire only one.

I don't think the Defiant could have destroyed the type of BOP we saw in The Defector (the Enterprise did destroy one in Yesterday's Enterprise), the type of BOP in Generations is a different story, the Defiant would have carved it up.

I return to my previous contention, the Defiant has the firepower of a typical mid size Starfleet vessel, just in a much smaller package. Take away the "Hero Ship" factor and it's nowhere close to the same realm as ship like the Galaxy, Prometheus, and other modern large and super large Starfleet combat-capable vessels.











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to be honest i think you are making a good point here. i watched a few DS9 episodes again (i haven't seen them in like 10 years) the defiant proved it has massive firepower compared to small vessels but when it took on larger ones its firepower was barely enough to penetrate through shields. (re-watched the defiant vs Neg'hevar and Defiant vs dominion battleship it failed big time) vs the Neg'hevar it fired over 6 times pulse phaser barrages and at least 4 normal phaser blasts at short range and got help from a fighter...yet the neg'hevar still had warp drive online...and survived.
also in ''Starship down'' 2 fighters jem'Hadar ships almost destroyed the Defiant since it got jumped,while same thing happened to the Odyssey it was not being torn apart from the inside out like the Defiant.

i also compared how a Galaxy class does vs smaller ships it was far better then the outcome of the defiant vs larger ones...
in addition Voyager disabled 2 massive Hirogen ships,in addition to 1 hunter ship,in a single battle,and was seen firing 3 phasers from different strips in ''Dragons teeth'' at very long range,most of the Defiant battles were at very close range i assume its weapons are designed only for that and prove ineffective at long range.

conclusion: i think the defiant has lower overall combat strength then both Galaxy and Intrepid but it has better maneuverability and can deliver its low output at faster intervals then the others.

 

[MacLeod]

^It's sounds like you are comparing the Defiant to a Corvette, a corvette attacking a battleship generally isn't going to work.

The Definat was easily a match for ships equivelant to it's class and maybe up to cruiser level. Once it came up against Battlecruisers and Battleships it struggled a bit more. Converesley evidence indicates thats larger class vessels struggled to combat the Defiant class. Don't recall many instances where we saw a larger ship easily take out a Defiant Class.

We have a Defiant Class ship(the Defiant) having been in a running battle with a Borg Cube for several hours. So it managed to hold up agaisnt a Borg ship.

In "Message in A bottle" we had a couple of Romulan D'Deridax class vessels, up against 2 Defiant Class and an Akira Class vessel. The Prometheus class vessel fired only a ouple of torepdeos. So it looks like they could hold up against a D'Deridax Class

In the MU we had a Defiant Class manage to hold up against a Negh'var type vessel.