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Sherlock Holmes (Downey, Law, McAdams) - Grading & Discussion

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excellent, I'm looking forward to the sequel.
I'd like to see a sequel, but I'm okay if they don't. And if the sequel involves Moriarty, I wonder if it will be an original tale, or a riff on The Valley of Fear or "The Final Problem."

But then an idea struck me while driving home from the theater today.

Bring SHATVOD out of development hell.

Oh, wait, I should explain that. "Sherlock Holmes and the Vengeance of Dracula." When it was nearly made a decade ago, Jude Law would have been Holmes.
 
I have to say that I absolutely loved the film. I was a little surprised to see Professor Moriarty given such... set-up, but I loved it all the same.

The film wasn't nearly as action packed as I thought it would be. It was very cerebral but with a very fast-pace, which I loved. Hans Zimmer's score worked really well within the confines of the movie... removed from context, it didn't sound so great, but I think this is one of those Zimmer scores that sounds mediocre on the album, but great in the film (case in point: the BATMAN BEGINS album was so-so, but the score works great within the film).

The plot was a little muddled and hard to understand sometimes, mostly because I had no idea what Holmes was talking about half of the time. It wasn't his accent but just the speed and velocity in which information sprung out of his mouth, and most of the stuff I had no clue what they were about. Regardless, I could follow the plot reasonably well, and the action was well-staged and gripping. The end where Holmes basically proves Blackwood as a fake was pretty awesome, but it would have been more awesome if I comprehended and understood it all.

Anyway this definitely makes my Top Ten (possibly Top Five... I have to evaluate my favorite list...) of movies released in 2009. This was a wonderfully gritty, fun, and exciting reinvention of a literary classic.
 
Above average. A rather cynical attempt to turn Sherlock Holmes into a superhero franchise that is elevated by a strong performance by Robert Downey Jr., who is, at times, surprisingly subtle in the role. Wonderful period production design (sometimes, no doubt, ahistorical, but no matter) and fantastic cinematography that spares no grimey detail further raise the venture. I hope for a sequel, as long as it is much improved.
 
Well, it's encouraging to hear that this isn't as much of a dumbing down as nu Trek was, although I'm still hearing stuff like "gritty" and "fast-paced." Why can't we have a variety of genre films like we did in the past? Rhetorical question, of course. It's because the studios aren't satisfied with a million dollars; they have to make a billion dollars, and that means explosions and music-video pacing....
 
Well, it's encouraging to hear that this isn't as much of a dumbing down as nu Trek was, although I'm still hearing stuff like "gritty" and "fast-paced." Why can't we have a variety of genre films like we did in the past? Rhetorical question, of course. It's because the studios aren't satisfied with a million dollars; they have to make a billion dollars, and that means explosions and music-video pacing....

Say what you will about something being fast-paced, but for me, no matter when a film is made or what the plot is about, Industrial London is the very heart of gritty :) There's coal in the air, after all.
 
I will say that Sherlock Holmes despite being fast-paced does slow down in its second act. There's plenty of scenes where Holmes & Watson do some investigating. I attribute some of the fast-paced nature of the film to the many scenes full of witty banter between Holmes & Watson, never allowing the film to truly feel boring.
 
Sherlock Holmes

Rated PG-13

My Grade: B+

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I've been a fan of Sherlock Holmes for some time and when I first saw the trailer for this movie I was a bit dubious of how it'd handle Holmes. After seeing it tonight, my fears were mostly relieved.

Sherlock Holmes, in case you didn't know, is 19th Century England's best detective despite Holmes personality quirks and methods. He gets the job done.

Downey Jr. plays the character very well as does Law as Holmes' partner Dr. Watson. The movie plays the mystery well, showcasing Holmes' process of deduction and adding up clues (though in a bit of a hindsight-ian matter) to reach his conclusions. Being a big fan of "House" it was hard for me to not see strong similarities between the two characters and I can't help but wonder just a little bit how much this Holmes and Watson were "inspired" -even if only by a tiny bit- by House (which itself is inspired by Holmes. But, admitiedly, alot of that may be me putting the cart before the horse. But it was hard to not see a lot of House and Wilson in the way Holmes and Watson played off one another and how Holmes treated Watson. (But, I admit this connection is dubious and I fully realize Holmes -in part- inspired House.)

Overall it's a fun movie, but my only complaint would be that the color palate in it is a bit muted and drab. I would've appreciated a more "colorful" movie and I don't think the drabness in this movie helps set any mood or look. It just looks hard to look at.

But it's a fun, enjoyable, movie RDJ turns in a good performance as does all of the other chracters and I look forward to the eventual sequel -which is nicely set-up in this movie.
 
I had no expectations going into this and came out feeling pretty ambivalent about it. I enjoyed the beginning, and the mystery surrounding Blackwood's activities. The second act was where things slowed down, and I found it difficult to stay engaged.

And is it really Holmes to...

...essentially kill the bad guy in the end? He could have saved Blackwood rather than verbally humiliate him by explaining how Blackwood had faked his death, etc. He basically just stood by and let him die. For someone who is supposed to be on the side of law and order, it doesn't seem right. Blackwood should meet his fate at the hands of an executioner--again. But I can see how that would just confuse people and up with him trying the same tricks again.

Anyway, boiling it down to particular elements:


  • Watson's engagement: an amusing little side plot at first, though it got surprisingly little development through the course of the movie, and was thin enough perhaps it should've been left out.
  • Homles/Watson banter: usually good, and I think part of my problem with the final third of the film is that Watson was out of commission for most of it.
  • RJD's performance: good. I've never been much of a Holmes fan but here we were presented with a brilliant but deeply flawed man, especially where social graces were involved.
  • Rachel McAdams: her portrayal of Irene Adler was quite compelling, but again, came off as somewhat underdeveloped.
  • Blackwood's plot: kind of a dull, run-of-the-mill "hahahaha gonna overthrow the government!" sort of thing. Could have been saved by having a compelling villain or at least an interesting motive. In essence, Holmes needs an adversary worthy of him, and Blackwood just wasn't it, and the performance was lacking, too.
  • Action scenes: well-done, but started to feel repetitive. I don't think it was necessary to show Holmes planning out his attack and then showing him execute it. You basically see the same thing twice. Just felt redundant to me. Some of the action scenes were very good, and some of them left me cold. I think one-third to one-half of them could've been trimmed in order to round out the story better. Each scene had a purpose, at least, but some seemed to go on too long and I just got bored.
I didn't hate this movie, but I have a feeling it won't stay in my memory very long, either. I don't know, maybe this is how some people feel about Avatar. I'm giving this an average.
 
Well, it's encouraging to hear that this isn't as much of a dumbing down as nu Trek was, although I'm still hearing stuff like "gritty" and "fast-paced." Why can't we have a variety of genre films like we did in the past? Rhetorical question, of course. It's because the studios aren't satisfied with a million dollars; they have to make a billion dollars, and that means explosions and music-video pacing....

Say what you will about something being fast-paced, but for me, no matter when a film is made or what the plot is about, Industrial London is the very heart of gritty :) There's coal in the air, after all.
That kind of gritty is okay. I was taking it as code for yet another adolescent attempt to be "adult."
 
sherlock was for justice much more then just law and order.
he let others go to their fate and even at times let people go who could have been punished in the court of law.

sherlock at times was the law into himself.

it really reminded me of charles augustus milverton.

No interference upon our part could have saved the man from his fate, but, as the woman poured bullet after bullet into Milverton's shrinking body I was about to spring out, when I felt Holmes's cold, strong grasp upon my wrist. I understood the whole argument of that firm, restraining grip -- that it was no affair of ours, that justice had overtaken a villain, that we had our own duties and our own objects, which were not to be lost sight of.

later on in milverton we get a nice fun exchange between lestrade and holmes.
we know that lestrade knew that it was holmes and watson who had broken into the house and had almost gotten caught.
we also know that lestrade is going to play along with that officially he dosnt know.

we also get again how holmes feels about certain types of justice..
"That's rather vague," said Sherlock Holmes. "Why, it might be a description of Watson!"

"It's true," said the inspector, with amusement. "It might be a description of Watson."

"Well, I'm afraid I can't help you, Lestrade," said Holmes. "The fact is that I knew this fellow Milverton, that I considered him one of the most dangerous men in London, and that I think there are certain crimes which the law cannot touch, and which therefore, to some extent, justify private revenge. No, it's no use arguing. I have made up my mind. My sympathies are with the criminals rather than with the victim, and I will not handle this case."

the big canon issue is that this might be viewed as a rewriting of sign of the four just like myers seven percent solution was a telling of the "true events" of the final problem.

i dont know if holmes would have been in a boxing ring like that but since we do know holmes boxed then i did like the analytical look at boxing they had holmes go through.

over all i liked the movie and thought it got a lot of the holmes watson dynamic right then a lot of other movies through history.
 
Saw it, liked it.

RDJ has really returned to A-list stardom nowadays, and they managed to keep true to Holmes' character including the fighting skills and personality quirks.

The Blackwood thing, I was genuinely worried as I watched that this would be some mumbo-jumbo magic stuff until I remembered "The Illusionist" and knew Holmes would rationalize everything that happened. They even used that "Take over America!" stuff to good effect (something had to be done to make the Ambassador angry).

Moriarty, I figured out his role in the last 30 minutes or so. Well-done integration of him into the story while keeping Blackwood as the main villain.

Overall, I'll go to the sequel.
 
I saw this movie right after Christmas and really enjoyed it. I have read all the original Conan Doyle works and when I first heard about the movie I was really excited. As I heard a little more about the production, I got worried about it being too silly. Those fears were completely aleviated. I really enjoyed the movie and would like to see a sequel.

Robert Maxwell, I really have to disagree with many of your points.

Watson's engagement: an amusing little side plot at first, though it got surprisingly little development through the course of the movie, and was thin enough perhaps it should've been left out.
Watson's engagement was the entire reason for him to move out, and for Holmes to act petty about losing his only close friend. It was one of the major points to Holmes' character and the Holmes/Watson relationship.

Rachel McAdams: her portrayal of Irene Adler was quite compelling, but again, came off as somewhat underdeveloped.
As one foil for Holmes and as a setup for the sequel, I don't think she was underdeveloped for this movie. This was Holmes/Watson vs. Blackwood. Furture movies will hopefully provide more info on Holmes and Adler, and Moriarty.

Blackwood's plot: kind of a dull, run-of-the-mill "hahahaha gonna overthrow the government!" sort of thing. Could have been saved by having a compelling villain or at least an interesting motive. In essence, Holmes needs an adversary worthy of him, and Blackwood just wasn't it, and the performance was lacking, too.
I sort of agree. But I think that Blackwood was a good villain, and that Strong played him well. His focus on the supernatural was a good opposite to Holmes' deductive reasoning. But he was never really, despite the trailer's editing, meant to be Holmes' nemisis. He was a villan who thought he could confound Holmes while taking over. The real threat lies in the future with Moriarty. Comparing this movie to Star Trek, I thought Strong/Blackwood was much stronger than Nero.
Action scenes: well-done, but started to feel repetitive. I don't think it was necessary to show Holmes planning out his attack and then showing him execute it. You basically see the same thing twice. Just felt redundant to me. Some of the action scenes were very good, and some of them left me cold. I think one-third to one-half of them could've been trimmed in order to round out the story better. Each scene had a purpose, at least, but some seemed to go on too long and I just got bored.
I liked the method of getting inside Holmes' head to see how he puzzles things out, and I would like to see more of it outside of a fight, but I felt the two uses of it were not over the top. The one thing I would like to have seen improved was the editing and balance for the fight in the red-headed midget/dwarf's shop. Watson's side of the fight just wasn't that clear to me. Holmes seemed to be the focus of the scene with just enough shots to show that Watson had dispatched his quarry (until the last saving action by Holmes).

About the only plot issue I have is that there was no resolution to the death of the American Ambassador. We see him die a spectacular death, but there is no indication of the police reaction to it. Holmes is never shown the crime scene, does no investigation, and we didn't see anything like the police's bafflement over the cause of death. But suddenly at the end Holmes refers to it and has figured out the cause of death. I wonder if that section was cut for pacing reasons and I hope it will be reinserted on DVD.

I also have an issue of the cyanide mechanism. It would seem like a very easy trap to "break" if not diffuse. Break the air duct, break the glass, break the "radio" reciever. The only reason there was difficulty was that they wanted to keep the cyanide capsules intact. Could Blackwood not have put it behind a wrought iron grill that was then welded into place. A fine enough grill would prevent bullets from being used to break the mechanism, Holmes and Adler would be kept at a distance from the machine, and the whole "using my pipe" to burn through the weld would have worked just as easily on the grill. Maybe I missed something crutial about the "boobytrapped" mechanisms preventing disarming the device; if I did, someone let me know.
 
Comparing this movie to Star Trek, I thought Strong/Blackwood was much stronger than Nero.

I think there were a lot more stronger villains than Nero in movies released last year. I thought Quaritch in Avatar was much stronger, and so was Blackwood in Sherlock Holmes. I think my biggest reason why is because both Stephen Lang and Mark Strong, respectively, didn't really go over-the-top. They provided quiet menace, which to me is far more effective than screaming, shouting, and generally being petulant, like Nero was for most of Star Trek. I also agree on all of your other points on the film. Well said.
 
And is it really Holmes to...
...essentially kill the bad guy in the end? He could have saved Blackwood rather than verbally humiliate him by explaining how Blackwood had faked his death, etc. He basically just stood by and let him die. For someone who is supposed to be on the side of law and order, it doesn't seem right. Blackwood should meet his fate at the hands of an executioner--again. But I can see how that would just confuse people and up with him trying the same tricks again.
Yes. Read HOUN. Excuse me, The Hound of the Baskervilles. Holmes lets Stapleton drown in a bog. Holmes isn't about "law and order." He's more about justice. Blackwood had tortured women to death. For him to meet his end as he did Holmes would find poetic justice.
 
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^It seems many complaints about the characterization of Holmes in this film are coming from folks who've drawn their perceptions of the characters from other films and TV series rather than the books themselves.
 
i think some people may have read some of the stories a long time ago.
but reading things like holmes believes in law and order and wouldnt let a villian meet a certain fate .. well...
 
The Hound of the Baskervilles is a fantastic book. And, in some ways, is a template for the film -- especially if you consider the "supernatural" assumption v. rational explanation ... not to mention Holmes' indifference to the actual fate of the villain.
 
My yardsticks: the Jeremy Brett as Holmes and those Granada Televison productions (best depiction), Holmes in the 22nd century, a few of the books and short stories, and one of the Rathbone Holmes flicks (Holmes in 1946 london)

The findings: 8.5/10. My thirst for the cerebral was not all the way quenched, finding the film somewhat of an establisment of a new continuity. nose turned at the invention of a new story for the film rather than adapt one from canon.

My thirst for action and "Zing! WOW!", however, satisfied! Made the movie stand on it's own two feet in my book.

Loved that hyper flash depiction of Holmes' deductions, flashbacks, and plans of attack "do this, do that estimated recovery time X", the fight scenes. I liked the score and the one song that they played, "Rock Road to Dublin", despite the "doesnt quite fit" quality

A couple things from the books that I would note. First, it was strange that this movie decided that Sherlock Holmes & Mary Morstan hadn't met before. In The Sign of Four, that was how Watson met her in the first place; she was Holmes' client. Also, when Mary Morstan made some mention of how she's a fan of the detective novels written by Poe et al, I was hoping that Holmes would jump into his tirade from A Study in Scarlet of how rediculous he thought those novels were and how imcompetant those fictional detectives were. I love that scene in the book. It's like the first ever angry fanboy rant.

First canon violation I noticed.

also, in the final act, that was a verry anachronistic pantsuit that Irene was wearing.


[An] attempt to turn Sherlock Holmes into a superhero franchise ... I hope for a sequel, as long as it is much improved.
The former, I realized, and the latter I hope for, even if it's the same quality!

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I also have an issue of the cyanide mechanism.

I too found the steampunk-ish device a little hard to swallow, just having it exist back then with the radio transmitter.

All in all, action flick for the win!
 
Above Average.

It didn't rock my world but very entertaining and I hope for a sequel. Also interesting to hear a Zimmer score where I couldn't tell it was him until I saw the name in the credits.

Anyone else go
"Hang on a moment!" when they ran from the Parliament to the Tower Bridge trough the sewers? Pretty sure those are a bit apart.
 
The Hound of the Baskervilles is a fantastic book. And, in some ways, is a template for the film -- especially if you consider the "supernatural" assumption v. rational explanation ... not to mention Holmes' indifference to the actual fate of the villain.

That's all well and good, but you'll have to remind me of any canon Holmes story that ended with an elaborate fistfight between Holmes and the villain. :p

But, of course, that's the conceit of this version: Holmes as action/super hero. And it's pretty good at that, and at using a lot of minor and major details that have often been neglected of the original stories.
 
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