Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by gottacook, Dec 3, 2014.
We are advanced fanwankers: we can also do it before-the-fact.
Regarding Scotty's off quoted multiplication factor of 4 and indeed his reputation as a "miracle worker", was it mentioned or even referenced at all before Star Trek 3?
It's just like that "the needs of the many" thing: it was used in a movie, and then never went away. I'm actually surprised that "don't call me tiny" wasn't referenced again, too!
Not in TOS, no.
Or a fairly well-selling 21st century CBS television show that anchors the ambiguities of that TOS episode firmly on the "transporters are old news at the time of the Horizon" rock.
Some of TOS tried to suggest that the technologies used by our heroes were "new", in the sense that they are no older than human starflight (even though no piece of technology operated by Kirk's crew was new, save for M-5). This was a somewhat silly thing to suggest, as there'd be no great likelihood that humans would invent these gadgets first - most technologies in TOS ought to be millennia if not thousands of millennia old, and most places in the galaxy ought to have been visited by somebody already, long before humans got there.
At the moment, we're supposed to think that a guy named Erickson invented transporters in the 22nd century. But Klingons and the like have them at that time already, too, so clearly the technology is old news to many living in Earth's neighborhood. We're left wondering whether Erickson came up with something independently, or just took credit for something he purchased, stole or otherwise obtained from aliens.
Eh, that's just fanwank that's become official because the fans in question were working on the shows. If it comes down to a question of later-day interpretations vs. the intent of the original creators, I tend to go with the original intent. I'm not writing for the show or the tie-ins, so I have the luxury of disregarding bits of canon whenever I want.
Man, I bet you could make a pretty good list of those. Funny how the movies never resurrected some of the old TOS recurring lines like "I'm a doctor, not a--" and instead just stuck to movie lines.
Chakoteya.net's transcript of the 2009 film indicates McCoy says, ``I'm a doctor, not a physicist. Are you actually suggesting they're from the future?!'' Also, for what it's worth, ``Are you out of your Vulcan mind?''
Scott's quoted as saying, ``I'm giving her all that she's got,'' come to mention it.
That was my feeling when he said that.... Scotty was THE BEST of all the engineers
I was just talking about the TOS movies, but thanks for pointing that out.
It occurred to me driving home from work today that in ST IV, McCoy says to that plastics guy that "Back home we call him (Scotty) the miracle worker". How could McCoy be aware of the Scotty/Kirk exchange? At that time, McCoy was busy breaking into Spock's quarters.
(Not to mention I never did understand why Spock's quarters were sealed in the first place. Was Kirk afraid crew members were going to rummage through his stuff?)
^With so many people coming and going (the trainees being reassigned, for instance), Kirk may have been worried that Spock's belongings would be misplaced before he had a chance to either send them to Vulcan or have them stored elsewhere.
Also, Kirk had a throwaway line about the "obsessive behavior" of the crew where Spock was concerned; perhaps someone else entered Spock's quarters without permission, forcing Kirk to seal the room.
Isn't that basically the gist of Scotty's advice to Geordi in Relics? Captains are like mushrooms. They'll be fine so long as you keep them in the dark and feed the full of shit
Shhhhh. We don't need hassle from the Department of Temporal Investigations. Again.
No reason to assume McCoy was referring to that specific exchange. I thought he was just referring to Scotty's general reputation.
Right. He said, "Back home, we call him the Miracle Worker," as though he'd been referred to as such several times outside of that one exchange.
That exchange had mentioned that Mr. Scott had a reputation as a miracle worker. So it was not a new thing, to Kirk.
Right, just a new thing to the audience. And retconned into the history of TOS from there on in.
His reputation might not have gone that far back. It could easily been something he earned in the years between TMP and TSFS. That was over ten years.
"As your teacher, Mr. Spock, is fond of saying, I like to think that there always are... possibilities."
"'There are always possibilities,' Spock said..."
But... uhm... Spock never once said that. At least not that we saw. I remember Harve Bennett in an interview referencing how that was a mantra for Spock. And obviously that's how it got into the film. But not sure where Bennett got that idea.
The closest I can ever remember Spock saying is in "The Galileo Seven," when he says "there are always alternatives" to Scotty.
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