I agree that it makes the character more three-dimensional. I would just prefer if it wasn't presented as something humorous.
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Oh come on, everybody knows fascism is humourous... 
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I really liked this episode. Since I don't know when you'll get to see the rest of it:
I thought it was a wonderful ep.
From the discussion of the Cardassian book, to the implantation device (and how Garak tweaked it), to Garak's story involving the Bajoran children, and then to meeting Tain -- I thought it was well-written and acted.
I thought it was a wonderful ep.
Will not click (yet)!
It was worth the wait. My wife was right. Elim was Garak.
Liked it a lot.
Liked it a lot.
You know, one thing that always bothered me was that in the George R. R. Martin book A Clash of Kings that closing dialogue was used word for word. Was it lifted from The Wire or is it an exchange that is used often in various media?
It may have been lifted from The Wire, since the book was published four years later.
But, if it was lifted, I can't blame them, as it's an amazing scene.
But, if it was lifted, I can't blame them, as it's an amazing scene.
That was a pretty amazing scene--very deep in that it's not a whodunit reveal, but a more psychological exploration of the character.
Now I'm going to switch over to...
"Crossover"
Until they got to the station, I thought this one was going to be about Bashir the skeptic and Kira the believer "crossing over" into the Bajoran afterlife, only to get back by some technobabble solution. Instead, we're in the Mirror Universe--the first of 5 DS9 Mirror episodes.
I didn't really like it that much. Once you get over the actors playing their characters differently, there's really nothing to the story. And the Mirror characters aren't nearly as interesting as their Prime counterparts. Take Garak: in the Primeverse he's complex, shifty, impossible to pun down. In the Mirrorverse, he's just a second-in-command who wants to be first. According to MA his lines were originally supposed to be Worf's, and that makes sense, because there's nothing Garak about them. Of course when the Primeverse character may well have committed atrocities during the Occupation, it's hard to make him darker.
I liked what they did with Quark and O'Brien better. They sure love to torture Miles, don't they? Mirror Odo was just really strict.
My biggest reference for the Mirrorverse is IAMD, where they put lots of little touches in to show you the character's sadism--Phlox and Reed were the best at this. I didn't see a lot of that here, though Sisko's crazy pirate was about as subtle as Crazy Archer.
BTW, seeing Sisko as a crazy, laughing pirate on the heels of seeing Avery Brooks doing his crazy laugh and rambling incoherently in The Captains--let's just say it's weird.
The evening gown was nice costuming, but this one just didn't do it for me. I didn't hate it, but it's not one of my favorites.
Now I'm going to switch over to...
"Crossover"
Until they got to the station, I thought this one was going to be about Bashir the skeptic and Kira the believer "crossing over" into the Bajoran afterlife, only to get back by some technobabble solution. Instead, we're in the Mirror Universe--the first of 5 DS9 Mirror episodes.
I didn't really like it that much. Once you get over the actors playing their characters differently, there's really nothing to the story. And the Mirror characters aren't nearly as interesting as their Prime counterparts. Take Garak: in the Primeverse he's complex, shifty, impossible to pun down. In the Mirrorverse, he's just a second-in-command who wants to be first. According to MA his lines were originally supposed to be Worf's, and that makes sense, because there's nothing Garak about them. Of course when the Primeverse character may well have committed atrocities during the Occupation, it's hard to make him darker.
I liked what they did with Quark and O'Brien better. They sure love to torture Miles, don't they? Mirror Odo was just really strict.
My biggest reference for the Mirrorverse is IAMD, where they put lots of little touches in to show you the character's sadism--Phlox and Reed were the best at this. I didn't see a lot of that here, though Sisko's crazy pirate was about as subtle as Crazy Archer.
BTW, seeing Sisko as a crazy, laughing pirate on the heels of seeing Avery Brooks doing his crazy laugh and rambling incoherently in The Captains--let's just say it's weird.
The evening gown was nice costuming, but this one just didn't do it for me. I didn't hate it, but it's not one of my favorites.
Don't worry...you're not the only one who hates the MU premise on DS9. The other MU episodes only go downhill from this point.
Ah yes, the Mirror Universe episodes. While I'm not entirely put off by them, like most are, I will admit that this is probably the best of the group.
They're fun, campy little romps, but nothing much more.
They're fun, campy little romps, but nothing much more.
I hated, hated "Crossover." Waaaayyyy too dark and cynical for me, even more than your average early DS9 episode. Way to completely trash the hopeful ending of the excellent "Mirror, Mirror." Actually, this part of DS9's 2nd season was weaker than its first, say, 60%, at least until the mostly-excellent season finale.
For my money, the way it undoes Mirror, Mirror is it's greatest strength. It shows that it takes more than a pretty speech from Kirk to change an entire civilization.
When, exactly? I must have missed it when I first read it.
What's sad is when I as a fanficcer feel like I did better explaining the MU. :-/
Not sure where, I'll have to go find it. Will be back . . . eventually.
ETA: Page 306 in my copy, a Tyrion chapter. It is an exchange between Tyrion and Petyr.
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Heh, if you didn't like Crossover, then you're probably not going to like any of the Mirror Universe episodes.
I dunno, I don't think it so much undoes Mirror, Mirror as suggest that yes, in fact, the reforms Spock implemented did take effect - and because of that, the Terran Empire was conquered and subjugated by the Klingons and Cardassians. Almost a "nice job breaking it, hero" result.
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