I feel the same way. Just seeing those 3 made the ep. for me.
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I feel the same way. Just seeing those 3 made the ep. for me.
definitely a warm fuzzy feeling kind of moment... although not really an appropriate reaction to Klingons
i was surprised to see Michael Ansara appear in season 4... i'd completely forgotten about it (don't worry, it's not the ghost of Kang!
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Whenever anyone says the word, I picture Chakotay. But he hasn't even been cast yet. This is definitely...
"The Maquis, Part I"
So this is where the Maquis first showed up. I remembered them from TNG and, of course, Voyager, but I didn't know they were introduced on DS9. My education continues.
This is also where the Badlands are introduced. That'll be important someday.
We get more conflict on this one, and I'm starting to see how this is a different kind of Trek show. At this point I like it for novelty's sake, but I don't totally love it.
Nice scene with Sisko and Dukat in Sisko's quarters. That Dukat's a tricky fellow, isn't he?
Though when they show the confession tape of Combover Guy, Sisko is, somehow, not irate that the Cardassians kidnapped a Federation citizen from a Federation-administered station. Isn't that a no-no?
Though I can see where the Dax hate comes from. I find her dating guys with transparent skulls kind of funny. And I do see the logic of what they were doing with it. And I spent a few minutes trying to figure out the evolutionary benefit of see-through skulls. The best I could come up with was that braininess was a big sexual selector for that species, so specimens who could convince potential mates of their superior brains were best able to pass on their genetic material. Hence transparent skulls.
I liked Quark as a gun-runner, and the guest Vulcan was pretty cool, too.
Overall, the episode was kind of slow--it's obvious they're setting things up for the second half. As an hour of TV, it doesn't rate as high as a few of the past episodes--I'd rather rewatch the Casablanca pastiche. But I can appreciate what it's doing and am looking forward to the payoff.
"The Maquis, Part I"
So this is where the Maquis first showed up. I remembered them from TNG and, of course, Voyager, but I didn't know they were introduced on DS9. My education continues.
This is also where the Badlands are introduced. That'll be important someday.
We get more conflict on this one, and I'm starting to see how this is a different kind of Trek show. At this point I like it for novelty's sake, but I don't totally love it.
Nice scene with Sisko and Dukat in Sisko's quarters. That Dukat's a tricky fellow, isn't he?
Though when they show the confession tape of Combover Guy, Sisko is, somehow, not irate that the Cardassians kidnapped a Federation citizen from a Federation-administered station. Isn't that a no-no?
Though I can see where the Dax hate comes from. I find her dating guys with transparent skulls kind of funny. And I do see the logic of what they were doing with it. And I spent a few minutes trying to figure out the evolutionary benefit of see-through skulls. The best I could come up with was that braininess was a big sexual selector for that species, so specimens who could convince potential mates of their superior brains were best able to pass on their genetic material. Hence transparent skulls.
I liked Quark as a gun-runner, and the guest Vulcan was pretty cool, too.
Overall, the episode was kind of slow--it's obvious they're setting things up for the second half. As an hour of TV, it doesn't rate as high as a few of the past episodes--I'd rather rewatch the Casablanca pastiche. But I can appreciate what it's doing and am looking forward to the payoff.
Indeed, this is where the Maquis are first introduced. They were first seen here and later appeared in the penultimate episode of TNG, all to set them up for VOY. These episodes go even farther to prepare us for VOY, with throw-away lines and visuals. For example, in part one Sisko says that several ships have been lost in the Badlands recently (which is where Voyager would soon be "lost"). In part two (I doubt this will give anything away) we see two Maquis members with Hudson at one point - a Native-American man and a Klingon woman. Remind you of anyone? 
As for how I feel about the episode, like you said - it's good, if a bit slow.
It's got a lot going for it - 1.) it introduces the kind of conflict the show will become known for, 2.) it offers us more insight into Dukat (for more on that watch SFDebris' review of these episodes - but be forewarned, all his reviews have massive spoilers for future episodes), 3) I love how they had a Vulcan in the Maquis, certainly not what you would expect.
Also, glad to see you're coming around to the "Jadiza Dax Hate Club" position.
As for how I feel about the episode, like you said - it's good, if a bit slow.
It's got a lot going for it - 1.) it introduces the kind of conflict the show will become known for, 2.) it offers us more insight into Dukat (for more on that watch SFDebris' review of these episodes - but be forewarned, all his reviews have massive spoilers for future episodes), 3) I love how they had a Vulcan in the Maquis, certainly not what you would expect.
Also, glad to see you're coming around to the "Jadiza Dax Hate Club" position.
I wouldn't necessarily say I hate the character yet. About the harshest I can say at this point is that I don't think Terry Farrell is one of the stronger actors in the cast.
And I saw a Native American guy with Southwestern Indian regalia in part one, too. I said, "Hey, it's almost Chakotay!" At least he didn't give a speech about his ancestors.
And I saw a Native American guy with Southwestern Indian regalia in part one, too. I said, "Hey, it's almost Chakotay!" At least he didn't give a speech about his ancestors.
No "A-koo-chee-moya. We are far from the sacred places of our grandfathers. We are far from the bones of my people."
At least not yet.
At least not yet.
That whole "Tribe Hollywood" thing was stupid. They should've either researched a tribe properly, or explicitly referred to those practices as a 24th-century New-Age religion that has no bearing on prior traditions.
Exactly. Would it really have killed them to make Chakotay a Lakota or Apache or Comanche or Navajo or Seminole or.... you get the idea.
But no, make up some bullshit.
But no, make up some bullshit.
Don't give into the hate. Jadzia's freaking awesome, haters be damned!
(Though, fair point about Terry Farrell)Not a whole lot more to say, been enjoying your reviews. Blood Oath was great and its good to see you're in the end-of-season-two good episodes.
Exactly. Would it really have killed them to make Chakotay a Lakota or Apache or Comanche or Navajo or Seminole or.... you get the idea.
But no, make up some bullshit.
Yeah. Or even a person of nondescript ethnicity, who practices a futuristic, New Age religion that is openly acknowledged as modern syncretism rather than any attempt at realistically portraying anything that currently exists. That would've been perfectly acceptable, rather than writing something I suspect would be embarrassing to a real Native American.
After a very busy few days, I'm back with...
"The Maquis, Part II"
If you like speechifying about Federation principles, you will love this episode. Good lord, there was Captain Kirk-level amount of Sisko puffing up his chest and talking to the camera. Not totally my cup of tea, but to each his own. I'm more into madcap comedy, serious character development, and the occasional "high concept" (usually Joe Menosky) ideas.
On the whole I found the episode kind of slow. My favorite parts were the Dukat scenes. I liked the Legate Parn, too, but only because I insisted in calling him the Legate Parm. Since chicken parm is one of my favorite things in the world, as you can imagine I got a kick out of that.
The Dukat stuff was seriously excellent.
On the funny side, did they bring over someone from the Larry Sanders to punch up the dialog here? Hank Kingsley's catchphrase (besides "hey now!") turns up three times: Sisko says "I don't think so" twice, and Hudson says it once.
If you don't know why that had me chuckling, here's all I have to show you:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzznBDz-758[/yt]
If you like Elvis Costello, you'll appreciate this, too.
It might have been because I was pretty tired, but this episode seemed to drag a lot. I'd definitely like to see more of Dukat being slippery, though. I also liked Quark being able to out-logic a Vulcan.
"The Maquis, Part II"
If you like speechifying about Federation principles, you will love this episode. Good lord, there was Captain Kirk-level amount of Sisko puffing up his chest and talking to the camera. Not totally my cup of tea, but to each his own. I'm more into madcap comedy, serious character development, and the occasional "high concept" (usually Joe Menosky) ideas.
On the whole I found the episode kind of slow. My favorite parts were the Dukat scenes. I liked the Legate Parn, too, but only because I insisted in calling him the Legate Parm. Since chicken parm is one of my favorite things in the world, as you can imagine I got a kick out of that.
The Dukat stuff was seriously excellent.
On the funny side, did they bring over someone from the Larry Sanders to punch up the dialog here? Hank Kingsley's catchphrase (besides "hey now!") turns up three times: Sisko says "I don't think so" twice, and Hudson says it once.
If you don't know why that had me chuckling, here's all I have to show you:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzznBDz-758[/yt]
If you like Elvis Costello, you'll appreciate this, too.
It might have been because I was pretty tired, but this episode seemed to drag a lot. I'd definitely like to see more of Dukat being slippery, though. I also liked Quark being able to out-logic a Vulcan.
Things were going very well indeed, until somebody cut...
"The Wire"
That is only funny if you know that my second book is titled Cutting the Wire. It's not even remotely Trek related.
I've spent all day writing about a new Las Vegas development, and it's hard to transition back into Trek. Bear with me.
Oh, and something I forgot to mention about "The Maquis." Dukat chowing down on pickles with a maple syrup chaser. Watch him eat, and tell me I'm wrong.
So we sit down to watch "The Wire." I literally squeal with delight when I see that it begins with Garak and Basir strolling down the Promenade.
Then we find out that Garak's a drug addict--well, it's not drugs, but close enough. Andrew Robinson does a stellar job here. Sometimes he's quiet, sometimes he's raving. His withdrawal scene isn't nearly as disturbing as Trainspotting, and I'm quietly grateful.
Bashir really steps it up here, doing some spywork with Odo. It's funny how post 9/11/Patriot Act Odo's snooping seems a lot less funny, particularly his, "should I be watching you?" comment.
Then Bashir goes off to see Enabran Tain. And things go horribly wrong.
Bashir gets Tain to agree to tell him how to save Garak. Then he does the Columbo "just one more thing" thing and asks about Elim.
Tain chuckles and says that Garak is a master of "obfuscation as always. Elim
The DVD freezes at 41:12 into the episode. No shit. At the climax of the story, just as we're about to get the big reveal, the DVD freezes. I try to run it back, then run it forward. It simmers for a few seconds, then up pops the Paramount logo and the "dun...dun. dundundun dun!" fanfare.
My wife and I both collapse into hysterical laughter.
After 15 minutes of trying to clean the DVD and get it to work, we're no better off.
Yeah, I could easily go to MA and see who Elim is, but I want to enjoy seeing the reveal. So I'm going to get a new DVD sent to me.
We aren't totally sure who Elim is.
My wife says it's actually Garak.
I think she might be right, or it's Garak's real brother, or Garak's family's hereditary enemy who he was never friends with, or the Cardassian Santa Claus (or Easter Bunny), or the Cardassian equivalent of Oddysses' "NoMan" reply to the Cyclops.
This was simultaneously the funniest, and most frustrating thing, that's ever happened to me while watching Trek.
"The Wire"
That is only funny if you know that my second book is titled Cutting the Wire. It's not even remotely Trek related.
I've spent all day writing about a new Las Vegas development, and it's hard to transition back into Trek. Bear with me.
Oh, and something I forgot to mention about "The Maquis." Dukat chowing down on pickles with a maple syrup chaser. Watch him eat, and tell me I'm wrong.
So we sit down to watch "The Wire." I literally squeal with delight when I see that it begins with Garak and Basir strolling down the Promenade.
Then we find out that Garak's a drug addict--well, it's not drugs, but close enough. Andrew Robinson does a stellar job here. Sometimes he's quiet, sometimes he's raving. His withdrawal scene isn't nearly as disturbing as Trainspotting, and I'm quietly grateful.
Bashir really steps it up here, doing some spywork with Odo. It's funny how post 9/11/Patriot Act Odo's snooping seems a lot less funny, particularly his, "should I be watching you?" comment.
Then Bashir goes off to see Enabran Tain. And things go horribly wrong.
Bashir gets Tain to agree to tell him how to save Garak. Then he does the Columbo "just one more thing" thing and asks about Elim.
Tain chuckles and says that Garak is a master of "obfuscation as always. Elim
The DVD freezes at 41:12 into the episode. No shit. At the climax of the story, just as we're about to get the big reveal, the DVD freezes. I try to run it back, then run it forward. It simmers for a few seconds, then up pops the Paramount logo and the "dun...dun. dundundun dun!" fanfare.
My wife and I both collapse into hysterical laughter.
After 15 minutes of trying to clean the DVD and get it to work, we're no better off.
Yeah, I could easily go to MA and see who Elim is, but I want to enjoy seeing the reveal. So I'm going to get a new DVD sent to me.
We aren't totally sure who Elim is.
My wife says it's actually Garak.
I think she might be right, or it's Garak's real brother, or Garak's family's hereditary enemy who he was never friends with, or the Cardassian Santa Claus (or Easter Bunny), or the Cardassian equivalent of Oddysses' "NoMan" reply to the Cyclops.
This was simultaneously the funniest, and most frustrating thing, that's ever happened to me while watching Trek.
That SUCKS!
I smell an Obsidian Order conspiracy at work...
I smell an Obsidian Order conspiracy at work...
It's Elim's doing, he doesn't want Shatnertage to find out who he really is. Don't be surprised if, once the DVD is working correctly, you hear a badly dubbed voice reveal that Elim is Chief O'Brien.
The kicker was it jumping to the Paramount jingle.
OH.... MY.... GOD!
That sucks. But at least you get to hold on to the suspense longer.
One thing you mentioned about the episode that always struck me the same way was the spying on Quark issue. You know, I really do like Odo, a lot, but he sure can be a fascist ass some times.
It's like the writers were saying - "Yeah, just because you can't prove Quark has done some shady things doesn't mean you can't willfully violate his privacy whenever you want. Now let's laugh about it because it's the good guys doing it."
That sucks. But at least you get to hold on to the suspense longer.
One thing you mentioned about the episode that always struck me the same way was the spying on Quark issue. You know, I really do like Odo, a lot, but he sure can be a fascist ass some times.
It's like the writers were saying - "Yeah, just because you can't prove Quark has done some shady things doesn't mean you can't willfully violate his privacy whenever you want. Now let's laugh about it because it's the good guys doing it."
^ It fits perfectly with Odo's character, though, as he's always complaining about how Starfleet rules and regulations prevent him from doing his job properly.
EDIT: Kestrel beat me to it by a minute. Will be installing software on his computer to prevent future instances momentarily.
EDIT: Kestrel beat me to it by a minute. Will be installing software on his computer to prevent future instances momentarily.
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