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maxsideburn

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Anyone know how to create a nice ship cloaking effect in Adobe Premiere or After Effects? How about phasers, disruptors, etc...

I'm currently doing some FX tests for an upcoming fanfilm, I'll be posting the results here shortly in quicktime format.
 
Welcome to the board maxsideburn. I hope you enjoy your time here with us.

I can't help you out at all with your question, but there are plenty of people around here who can.
 
Ok I made the original post back in May, it's now September, but I've been extremely busy. I have found a little bit of time to create a few SFX tests and other things.

Here are a couple of video SFX tests:

(Transporter Test)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAW66NKi1A

(Phaser Test)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVMGFys96bs


Also here are some renders of the NCC-2874 U.S.S. Diligent, she will be destroyed in the first fanfilm and replaced but the Diligent-A in the second. This Diligent is supposed to be an old relic, a ship that bridges the gap between the Excelsior and Ambassador classes.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4527/diligent01xt4.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8041/diligent02iz2.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1184/diligentbridge01lr4.png


http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3153/diligentbridge02sj7.png

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2741/diligentbridge03oh4.png



Here's a Bird of Prey composited with a photo, I did this as a test seeing as how the fanfilm will also feature a Bird of Prey.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3616/bopuf9.png



And lastly some more videos, this time of the Diligent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlNuNtMOz7o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u09aZuQDiBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpPF_g_EqI
 
I'm curious. In your last video the stars are kinda flickering. You using Lightwave?, cus I had a problem like that with my renders and I'm not sure how to fix it.
Cheers.
 
nah, 3dsmax. I agree the problem seems to be with most 3D packages. I would also like to know how to fix it.
 
I remember hearing a speculation that it was because the stars were only a pixel or two large, so that anti-aliasing and other effects tended to make them twinkle and ripple.

But this is not my area of expertise, so it's worth exactly what you paid for it. [wry smile]
 
Cloaking effects are fairly easy to concoct in AE if you have the right source material. The trick is to render out separate layers for the different CG elements. The simplest effect being a ship clocking in open space. For that you only need to layers, the stars and the ship. Now, most 3d programs allow you to render to some form of image that includes an alpha channel, make sure you use it so you can use the alpha as a mask for the ship.

One you get your layers in AE, apply an effect like ripple and maybe layer on some keyed color effect or a blur at the same time and then over the course of 50 frames or so, dissolve out the effected layer. Granted I'm not trying to write a tutorial but rather give an overall idea of the process. The key elements are separate 3d layers and key-framed AfterEffects filters in the in it's just turning down the opacity on the ship layer from 100% to 0.

As for phasers and other such I tend to use particle effects in Maya to create the beams and then comp them in in AE adding blur and glow to make the finished layer. Again the phaser beams on ships exist as a separate layer for maximum controlability outside of the 3d app.
 
^^^ To make a Trek 3 style cloak effect, you:
--render out your ship
--split it into RGB channels
--apply a slight ripple effect to each channel, but with variations for each
--recombine the channels
--dissolve it in
That's how it was done for the film (except that the RBG channels were really done more as color separations in an optical printer).
 
Stars "twinkling" because of anti-aliasing is a problem in Lightwave. I found a kind of solution which has worked for most shots in "Exeter" and I'll post it later - I can't keep it in my head so I need to consult reference.
 
Torpedos

Anyone know how to create torpedos in lightwave. By that i don't mean a torpedo coffin, i mean small star-esc fast moving flashy explosive thing that travels through space. Besides a glowing mesh of above long winded description i havent got a clue!
And come to think of it, phaser beams too...
 
Re: Torpedos

Yeah... I'd say matte out the ship... add a ripple filter (i dont have AE up so I can't remember exactly what the filter is to use on that) and gradually ramp your opacity keyframe from 100 to 0. Some RGB channel effects would be good.

For phaser beams.... you have to have the Production edition of AE if I remember correctly... you use the Beam effect. To animate the beam, change the Time keyframe to... 50% I believe. Put one keyframe at the beginning with the time property at 0... another keyframe with it at 50... and another with it at 0 again. I believe if I remember the way the beam keyframe works... it moves gradually from the originating point to the center and then the end of the beam moves and follows it across to the other side too. You kinda have to play with it to see what I'm talking about.

You also have to set the two colors... you have two colors to choose from... the color of the core of the beam, and the color of the outer edge. It may also be in your interest to add a glow filter to the layer that the beam is on too.

Torpedoes I'm not so sure about in AE... I think you may have to do that in a 3D rendering program like Max, Maya or Lightwave.

(I've done quite a bit of amateur fooling around with AE if you can't tell) Really miss getting to use it... my laptop bit the dust in June and I have yet to get employment so I can't afford a new one. Grrr job market for recent college grads.
 
Re: Torpedos

Ok fellas, I'm back with some more FX tests. These are much more like what I was really going for. The only thing I'm not good at yet is making a decent looking beam weapon, it always comes out looking goofy. But my burst weapons are pretty nice.

Check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT7oVxYVP4o
 
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