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Shades of Gray - how would you fix the episode?

I have to admit that I really disliked What You Leave Behind because it omitted Jadzia. She was with the crew for 6 years -- Sisko's confidant, Worf's lover and wife, commander of the Defiant during times of war, we laughed with her, we cried with her, but when it came time to bookend the show, she was very conspicuously absent. I really like Ezri, but it seemed really disrespectful toward long-term fans of the show to ignore her. Even Denise Crosby was able to return for All Good Things; surely the producers of DS9 could have paid whatever royalties were necessary to include some clips featuring Terri Farrell.



You and me both. I think the last time Shades of Gray soiled my television, it was during a late-night TNG binge and I fell asleep during The Emissary or Peak Performance and Netflix just kept playing on through automatically.



This is a really good point. I never thought about it before, but I really like the idea that Starfleet's most powerful ships were staying close to home (or getting recalled from deep space assignments) due to the emerging Borg threat.

I wish they would have played on that point a little more -- maybe with an episode about how patrolling the edge of known space was getting to the crew, or at least a some comments to tie existing episodes to the overall theme. Peak Performance, for example, need not have been just a wargames episode, but could have been a test of the crew's tactical creativity and ability to improvise solutions against the kind of incredible, almost impossible, odds the Borg presented. (It's nicely consistent that Riker captained the Hathaway during the initial training, and then lead the Enterprise to victory during the actual confrontation).

And in the third season, Picard might have been stressed/agitated and in need of the vacation in Captain's Holiday due to frustrations regarding Starfleet's (un)preparedness rather than some diplomatic problem on Planet Irrelevant. And there could have been a throw-away line about Gomtuu's tactical value against the Borg in Tin Man. All together, it would have been an amazing build-up to The Best of Both Worlds.



I know by this point the Conspiracy aliens had sort of morphed into the Borg, but if I had to make a clip show, I would use them (or paranoia about them) as the pretense. There's some event, perhaps some strange behavior on the part of a crewmember returning from a conference, an unexplained death, evidence of sabotage, something, anything to remind the crew about that episode and trigger an investigation.

Logs are reviewed in detail, past events are visited and revisited looking for clues. In a way, it could be a nitpicker's show; using preexisting continuity errors, plotholes, and the like to demonstrate the existence of a problem. It would also give Worf a chance to really shine in his role as security chief. You'd really only need one set even: the security office/brig (was it built by this point in Season Two?) where Worf conducts his interviews -- or the observation lounge.
I think I have heard a similar idea, with an officer, an admiral if possible, reviewing ship logs and mission reports to determine someone's fitness for command.

It could be done in an interview format. The show M*A*S*H had one with different clips but one actor who sat with the regulars and did an interview. Honestly, I think it's called "The Interview."

Federation News Network about deep space. Or, possibly, Riker being interrogated by Romulans in a simulation, and he utilizes the more dangerous and violent memories to give him weapons to fight against them.

Clip shows are not good or bad. It's all in what you do with them.
 
Would that be a 'ditto' for Shattered? (voy) I have mixed feelings. I kinda liked that episode. I don't recall TNG clip shows. They never seem to air when I catch TNG on BBCAmerica.

Shattered is the right way to do a clip show if they really need to be done.
 
I don't get all the crazy hate for "Shades of Gray", given the constraints.

The whole "stimulating Riker's memories because of alien virus" idea was at least better than the "hey, Character A might be leaving town, let's all remember the happy times" cliche I've seen in many US TV shows (and why are we acting like clip shows are exclusive to TNG? Simpsons, Frasier, Friends...most of the imported US shows we get in the UK have had clip shows. Coincidentally, the A-Team's season 2 finale was also a clip show!)
M*A*S*H's two black & white, "War Correspondent" clip shows were actually marvelous. They're a very creative take on the form.

The disappointment with Shades of Gray isn't only that we would hope Star Trek wouldn't have to fall prey to such an obvious TV gimmick (because we all look at it in such a lofty & elevated way, as uberfans). Even though technically, the TOS Menagerie episode is also a clip show, and a pretty good one, to boot

The issue is that IF TNG had to do a clip show, you'd hope that they'd have an incredibly unique slant on it, (being such a groundbreaking kind of show in general) They should at least be able to deliver a clip show that's as good as M*A*S*H or TOS, & they just plain didn't.(time constraints being the main obstacle) As locutus101 said above, even stacked up against other TV clip shows, it's pretty awful
 
M*A*S*H's two black & white, "War Correspondent" clip shows were actually marvelous. They're a very creative take on the form.

The disappointment with Shades of Gray isn't only that we would hope Star Trek wouldn't have to fall prey to such an obvious TV gimmick (because we all look at it in such a lofty & elevated way, as uberfans). Even though technically, the TOS Menagerie episode is also a clip show, and a pretty good one, to boot

The issue is that IF TNG had to do a clip show, you'd hope that they'd have an incredibly unique slant on it, (being such a groundbreaking kind of show in general) They should at least be able to deliver a clip show that's as good as M*A*S*H or TOS, & they just plain didn't.(time constraints being the main obstacle) As locutus101 said above, even stacked up against other TV clip shows, it's pretty awful

I am glad that neither DS9, Voy or Ent did the clip show thing. I don't think that the final sequence of DS9's What You Leave Behind counts as a clip show, for one thing it's very short.
 
^I never really thought of it as one either. A throwback "montage" isn't the same thing as a clip show. I suspect the following seasons & subsequent series avoided clip shows like the plague, specifically because of how badly SoG tainted that well
 
^I never really thought of it as one either. A throwback "montage" isn't the same thing as a clip show. I suspect the following seasons & subsequent series avoided clip shows like the plague, specifically because of how badly SoG tainted that well
Gates McFadden must have been glad she wasn't part of it.
 
Look at "Trials and Tribble-ations", for example. Something done in that style would have worked (sans TOS sets and props, that is) - and by that, I mean the agents were interviewing Sisko about what happened. Most of it was old footage or simple to film additions.

Or a la "The Next Phase"? A disembodied crew member watching various events of past episodes or a cheap-to-film bottle show bridge battle (including watching themselves) and commenting on what everyone is doing. Granted, that would have worked better in a later season, when there's more film to draw from.
 
I think I have heard a similar idea, with an officer, an admiral if possible, reviewing ship logs and mission reports to determine someone's fitness for command.

It could be done in an interview format. The show M*A*S*H had one with different clips but one actor who sat with the regulars and did an interview. Honestly, I think it's called "The Interview."

Federation News Network about deep space. Or, possibly, Riker being interrogated by Romulans in a simulation, and he utilizes the more dangerous and violent memories to give him weapons to fight against them.

Clip shows are not good or bad. It's all in what you do with them.

Sounds like Rules of Engagement but as a clip show. I like it.
 
I thought that one was more than enough.
But, we are trying to work within the confines of the production staff at the time "Shades of Gray" was produced, when they had limited money. So, if a clip show is an option, then you work with that.
 
But, we are trying to work within the confines of the production staff at the time "Shades of Gray" was produced, when they had limited money. So, if a clip show is an option, then you work with that.

I was talking about "Rules of Engagement."
 
Idea 1. A Clip Show, but using all alternate unused takes from the previous episodes, so at least there's something original to look at, even if the plots are retread.

Idea 2. Take the money used for shooting the original scenes, take a good, solid, full episode script, find some 7-11 year olds who liked Star Trek, give them some TNG action figures and ship toy/models, explain the script to them - and then shoot them acting out the script with the toys using a camcorder. Any direction I might need to give them would be left in the filming. And then I would have slap a disclaimer on the front about having run out of money. And then sit back and enjoy watching people like us have fits arguing about whether or not it's canon and if so, how that would work. For decades. :devil:

Idea 3. Do a "behind the scenes" episode instead. Use clips that couldn't have been used in any episode because they had production errors or what-have-you, and original footage with crew members talking about what they do.

Idea 4. Replay an episode of TOS, but use the tiny budget to film a couple of scenes that weren't in the original involving some alien species (not TOS cast or sets, obviously), that could be used to tie it together with another episode in the coming season. Boom - TOS/TNG crossover. ;)
 
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So do I but it's because I usually remember a lot, not because it was memorable.
What would make it memorable then?

I mean, I recall the lawyer's speech (his name escapes me) about the shame that Worf must be feeling, as well as the different recreation of events from different points of view. Sisko's speech at the end is also one of my favorite parts as he dismantles the argument piece by piece.

Personally, I rather like the episode, but to each their own.
 
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