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"SGU" first impressions

The Borgified Corpse

Admiral
Admiral
So far, I'm up through "Space" midway through Season 1. I have to say, it's taken me a while to warm up to SGU and even then it's been slow going. I was quite enchanted by the swashbuckling space adventure & brisk comedy of Stargate SG-1 & Stargate Atlantis. Of course, SGU is a different breed altogether.

The common comparison is to draw a parallel to the style of Battlestar Galactica. I think there's a key difference though. Galactica, for all its darkness, still populated the show with bad guys & frequent space battle. SGU is more like basing a weekly sci-fi TV series on a man vs. nature conflict. Most of the episodes are about a basic, primal struggle for survival, not against any outward antagonist but against simple elements like air & water. It's some of the most basic space survival scenarios imaginable. In that sense, I do respect the show for its freshness.

I don't think outer space has felt this hostile or frightening or unforgiving since the really early days of Doctor Who back in 1963-64. The Destiny is an intelligent ship that tries to fulfill the needs of its crew in an inscrutable way while being completely uncontrolable. And if you make a false step, you'll never see home again, presuming you have any chance of making it home at all anyway. It's kinda like if you set the TARDIS on autopilot and then didn't have the Doctor around to occasionally explain what's going on.

Unfortunately, I can't say I really like any of the characters yet. I haven't grown to hate them all as contemptible little shits (like I did on Galactica). Instead, I'm merely indifferent & uninterested (like on Dollhouse). The only character thing I've really become attached to at all is the potential for an Eli/Chloe relationship. I know it will probably never happen but it would be really sweet if these two kids could get together. His deathbed speech to her in "Time" brought a tear to my eye.
 
I've seen every episode as it aired, and my experience was much as yours. I think they have a great cast, but unfortunately I don't find many of the characters particularly great (except Eli and Rush, although many people dislike Rush because he's a blunt asshole).

The show definitely improves from the second half of season 1 onwards as they get off world more, but it never really hits the highs of SG-1 or SGA. The second half of season 1 is a lot better, but still don't expect to ever love it like SG-1 or Atlantis.
 
Yes I felt that having a wider cast was great but they were spread too thin and took a bit too long to develop recognisable personalities. I really enjoy the show but I can see why many people find it too slow. I think the writers took for granted that they would have years to tell the story they wanted to tell and kept too much in reserve early on.
 
I watched begrudgingly, I could have continued watching but I just wasn't interested and in some cases the show just pissed me off. I let it go after season one.
 
Yes I felt that having a wider cast was great but they were spread too thin and took a bit too long to develop recognisable personalities. I really enjoy the show but I can see why many people find it too slow. I think the writers took for granted that they would have years to tell the story they wanted to tell and kept too much in reserve early on.
Yeah, Robert Maxwell had a post lying around somewhere showing how they could've gotten to The Greater Good by the end of the first season, which I later expanded on, since it was a great outline.
 
I think part of the problem is that TPTB looked at the five-year lifetime of SGA and the 'two five-year lifetimes' of SG-1 and just kind of assumed their show was strong enough from the start that they'd get that, too.

Trouble is, we aren't living in a Babylon 5 world anymore. If a show starts off mediocre people tune out very quickly.
 
Honestly, I love this show. Don't know if I'm in the minority, but I definitely prefer it over all of Atlantis, as well as the latter-couple of seasons of SG-1.

However, the one ep that confused the hell out of me was "Time".

I can't recall too clearly, but it seemed to end in an almost cliffhanger-ey way, with a bunch of people dying from those piranha-worm creatures, happening just as it did when Eli viewed the Kino from the future, and then, the next episode, everything was back to normal. It was like someone imported the Trek "reset button", but we never actually got to see the button being pressed.

Does anyone know what happened there or did I miss an episode somewhere along the line?
 
^No, no missing episode. The resolution is a simple inference: they found the Kino with Scott's explanation on it, followed his clear-as-day instructions on what was causing the plague, how to avoid the creatures, and how to safely gather them to extract the antidote – and thus saved themselves. I admit that cutting the episode off right after he tosses it into the Gate felt a little abrupt, but that's an editorial issue; there really wasn't any story worth telling after that point. Literally everything the crew needed to know was on that last recording; it would have been redundant and boring as hell to watch another loop where there's no danger.

This is an issue with Time that keeps coming up around here. I'm honestly surprised that so many people have a hard time understanding what happened at the end. It's like the Stargate writers suddenly overestimated everyone's critical thinking skills for one episode.
 
^^^ AH! Understood.

I would agree that responsibility for the confusion rests squarely on the shoulders of the editing department for that one, it's just that (for me, personally, anyway), the writing for all the other episodes had always been quite crisp and well done, "Time" seemed to be a departure from that standard, and it did leave people wondering if there would at least be some kind of denouement/coda towards the end. It almost felt like they ran out of time and shrugged while deciding "Oh, they'll figure it out". I guess time travel stories (or at least stories that involve unconventional manipulation of time) in general piss me off if they're not done right.
 
Honestly, I love this show. Don't know if I'm in the minority, but I definitely prefer it over all of Atlantis, as well as the latter-couple of seasons of SG-1.

I love it as well. It was the first Stargate show I ever watched. I found it preferable to just about everything in SG-1 post season 2. I haven't seen enough of Atlantis to compare.

I just wished they had used the stargate more often to explore planets and had not have the convenience of the communication stones. They diluted the fact that these people are stranded literally across the universe.

All in all, though, I thought it was an excellent show and I'm sad to see it go. I'm a bit worried about the back half of season 2 as "Ressurgence" just didn't feel right to me. It seemed like they were ditching the inter personal drama for mindless space battles and action.
 
^^^ AH! Understood.

I would agree that responsibility for the confusion rests squarely on the shoulders of the editing department for that one, it's just that (for me, personally, anyway), the writing for all the other episodes had always been quite crisp and well done, "Time" seemed to be a departure from that standard, and it did leave people wondering if there would at least be some kind of denouement/coda towards the end. It almost felt like they ran out of time and shrugged while deciding "Oh, they'll figure it out". I guess time travel stories (or at least stories that involve unconventional manipulation of time) in general piss me off if they're not done right.

If you absolutely need a denouement, there was a Kinosode that showed how things went in the final iteration.

ETA: I tried embedding it because there are some spoilers for later epiosodes in the top-rated comments, because people are idiots, but embedding is disabled for this video so just, um, don't look below the video.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ubu5kROPM[/yt]
 
All in all, though, I thought it was an excellent show and I'm sad to see it go. I'm a bit worried about the back half of season 2 as "Ressurgence" just didn't feel right to me. It seemed like they were ditching the inter personal drama for mindless space battles and action.
Resurgence sucked because if you look closely, you can see that the episode was probably supposed to end right around when the seed ship arrived. After that point, the episode is so rushed that the final 3 minutes and thirty seconds lack any sort of tension because the music and editing don't work to amplify the tension.

As for interpersonal drama, I'd be for it if I cared about most of the characters instead of wondering why the hell people are so stupid that the most logical and clear minded individual on the ship (Rush) is considered bad when 75% of the time they've done everything in their power to alienate him.
 
Yeah, I'd say overall they should all be nicer to Rush since he seems like their best chance of survival. Still, after he framed Young for murder, I can't say I blame Young for marooning Rush.

Rush is a blunt asshole, but then, most of my favorite TV characters are.
 
Well, I finished Season 1. Still bored. The last few episodes finally injected some excitement into the show but by this point it feels like a kind of excitement that belongs on one of the earlier Stargate series (particularly thanks to the guest appearance by Daniel Jackson spying on the Lucian Alliance. I kept hoping we'd get to see Col. Mitchell, Teal'c, & Vala in that sequence too).

The only part that I can even recall with any clarity is when Chloe talks about how Eli acts like she's just given him some runner-up prize. That was a perfect, geniune moment of tear-your-heart-out unrequited nerd love. I haven't felt so brutalized by such a gentle rejection since Buffy turned down Xander's prom invite in "Prophecy Girl."
 
Well, I finished Season 1. Still bored. The last few episodes finally injected some excitement into the show but by this point it feels like a kind of excitement that belongs on one of the earlier Stargate series (particularly thanks to the guest appearance by Daniel Jackson spying on the Lucian Alliance. I kept hoping we'd get to see Col. Mitchell, Teal'c, & Vala in that sequence too).

The only part that I can even recall with any clarity is when Chloe talks about how Eli acts like she's just given him some runner-up prize. That was a perfect, geniune moment of tear-your-heart-out unrequited nerd love. I haven't felt so brutalized by such a gentle rejection since Buffy turned down Xander's prom invite in "Prophecy Girl."

I thought that moment was really nice, and one of the few good character moments of the series.
If you're still not sold on the show after the second half of season 1, don't bother with season 2. S2 has been better than the first half of season 1 so far, but I wouldn't say any better than the second half of S1.
 
^But if TBC never watches season 2 they'll never get to experience the glory of "Cloverdale." :) ;) They'll never get to see the geek fantasy of
Eli scoring with a hot alien chick.
 
...I really hate being 'that guy who posts negatively all the time', but things like that just make me all the more apathetic about this show.
 
^But if TBC never watches season 2 they'll never get to experience the glory of "Cloverdale." :) ;) They'll never get to see the geek fantasy of
Eli scoring with a hot alien chick.

That's just bizarre enough to be tempting. Besides which, I think I'm enough of a completist that I think I'll have to finish the series at some point, although it will be a very low priority. I still haven't finished the last season of Battlestar Galactica; I've mostly abstained from the last couple seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer; and my friends are frequently appalled to learn that there are still some Star Trek episodes that I haven't seen (mostly large chunks of the 2nd & 3rd seasons of The Original Series, some sizable portions of the last couple seasons of Enterprise, and a smattering of DS9 Season 5).
 
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