SG-U - Aftermath - (2x02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Jax]

(8) As a character piece dealing with Riley and Young it was very good, the death was handled extremely well and I like how Young is seriously cracking and who can blame him, he's had a bad year. As for getting rid of some of the Lucian crew, it was the right call no doubt of that. We lament the characters for bad calls but letting a large group of dangerous killers onboard would be stupid and I look forward to the interaction of the ones who were on board.

As for Rush and his Hallucinations, I can't help but think they are much more than tricks of his mind, based off last week as well (Plus Franklin disappearance) either we have Ascended beings tracking the ship and its crew or those planet building aliens are VERY powerful indeed.

ummm last time i checked the ancients were the first evolution of HUMANS

They are still very different to us, despite being human in form the Ancients are Alien to us in the way they evolved. Did the Ancients even use the term human for themselves ?

 

[bullethead]

The Rush bits on the bridge were sort of interesting, especially since he himself is wondering if he's losing his mind or if the ship is projecting people to communicate with him. I am, however, quite tired of this nonsense about Rush keeping secrets from the others. As he(?) pointed out to himself(?), he has a crew - use them to keep the ship running!

The problem with that is the fact that the crew he has is pretty damn incompetent. Rush, Eli, and Brody are probably the only science/tech guys who actually manage to do anything on the ship, and Eli doesn't even spend that much time doing anything. We've already covered Col. Young's numerous flaws in other threads, so he's out as a leader; Telford has some experience with combat and what not, but no one trusts him because Young won't tell anyone that the dude was brainwashed or something. Scott has practically no experience and no one knows if Varro has any experience with commanding spaceships, mostly because no one actually cared about getting to know him aside from Wray and the SGC guys won't let him be in charge.

Then there's everybody else, who have managed to accomplish nothing noteworthy unless it all happened offscreen and the writers won't tell us about it until later.

 

[Mr Awe]

8. Enjoyable and poignant. I didn't care too much for the Rush is either crazy or talking to a computer manifestation angle. Hopefully that won't play out too long because that'll get old quick. I do like how he found the bridge (and I like the design).

Mr Awe

 

[Dac]

Hell, I liked the premiere ep and I loved this one. I'll echo everyone else and say the highlight was Young and Riley. Although I had a good laugh at Eli remembering that a large explosion near a gate could destroy the better part of a planet.

 

[PsychoPere]

And Young killing him, how pathetic and cold. Get the LA guys off the ship and help move the dam thing sitting on Riley and giving him a fighting chance. Cant ever see a member of SG-1 or Atlantis ever doing this.

T.J. didn't think that moving the debris off of Riley would be of any use, so I'm fine with the way it played out, especially since it presented Young with a choice that will likely haunt him. I do like the characterization possibilities that Riley's death presents, and I have to admit that it probably wouldn't be as effective with a character who is disliked or I have no feelings on at all.

The problem with that is the fact that the crew he has is pretty damn incompetent. Rush, Eli, and Brody are probably the only science/tech guys who actually manage to do anything on the ship, and Eli doesn't even spend that much time doing anything.

Fair points, but Rush should at least try to use them and Eli should be expected to actually do something except play with the Kino and watch the female crewmembers in the shower. Park at least is trying to learn but, as we saw in this episode again, Rush has no interest or tolerance for training people to understand Destiny's systems.

[...] Telford has some experience with combat and what not, but no one trusts him because Young won't tell anyone that the dude was brainwashed or something. [...]

Yet more evidence of Young's incompetence, eh?

 

[Hyperspace05]

I give it an 8 - better than last week.

Pluses:
+ Finally some insight into the Lucian alliance and what they hoped to gain on Destiny
+ Rush discovering the bridge
+ The 'chair guy' (what's his name) manifesting himself to Rush
+ Riley's death - SGU has a great set of minor characters, so killing one off definitely hurts, but it needs to be done at points
+ Young (I don't get people who complain about his character - he is clearly the most levelheaded of the leading characters - Wray *should* be ignored)
+ Nice with planet exploration

Minuses:
- Music montage at the end (unnecessary) - they are starting to use it as a crutch for easy episode endings
- None of the remaining lucian alliance characters are compelling

Next week looks veeeery interesting!

 

[Jax]

None of the remaining lucian alliance characters are compelling

Give the writers some time, they can now be intergrated into the crew over the season with their numbers down to a few.

 

[nickyboy]

It gets an extra chevron for not having a crappy montage with emo music, keep it up.

Glad they grew a pair this week and got Young to kill someone.

Looking forward to next weeks episode and discovery Destiny's purpose

 

[Peter the Younger]

Overall I liked it, though it wasn't a standout episode by any means. I'm sad to see Riley go; out of all the supporting types, he was one of my favorites. I suspect he was offed to make room for redheaded LA chick.

 

[Kaijima]

I don't see how the remaining Lucien characters are boring; they saved basically the three most interesting: the self-appointed leader who seems to be a reasonable man and have some integrity, the tech girl who gives us a young female in the crew that isn't goddamn Cloe and Space T-Bag (STB).

They've already seeded that STB suspects the LA's double agent has turned back again and there's no way STB would be cast in the show unless he was going to turn into a sociopathic troublemaker. I predict several people are going to get stealth murdered by him before we're done.

Anyway, now we see if the writers can come up with a passable "destiny for Destiny".

 

[Brent]

Another bridge of a starship sitting in the ship's most vulnerable spot as if you needed an officers eyeball to see things like in a sailing ship. You would think someone would learn from the Borg and protect the control center from the catfish and others. At least it retracts like a periscope.

1.) When the Ancients built the ship, there weren't many other races at the time, and none that seemed to be hostile. Their design choice wasn't born out of the need to protect that bridge to such lengths considering the ship already has good shields. The ship isn't a war ship.

2.) The entire bridge platform, if you noticed, recedes into the ship, so if things get bad, it ducks down inside flesh with the ship, the entire bridge section moves up and down, as they showed. This could give it added protection in a fire fight.

And anyway, humans didn't build this ship, it wasn't built with human thinking, it was designed by aliens, called Ancients, who think differently than us, and design differently than us.

ummm last time i checked the ancients were the first evolution of HUMANS

Ancients manipulated the genetic code and seeded life, and thus we evolved. They are the first evolution of beings like us, but I wouldn't call them exactly human, they had abilities we do not have, but that we will eventually gain because they made us like them.

 

[broberfett]

8. Enjoyable and poignant. I didn't care too much for the Rush is either crazy or talking to a computer manifestation angle. Hopefully that won't play out too long because that'll get old quick. I do like how he found the bridge (and I like the design).

Mr Awe

They are just rehashing Baltar/Six.

Keeping the LA computer chick seems dangerous. It is nice to have a new babe, but she can take over ship systems and endanger the Earth crew. Keeping T-bag is dangerous since he just seems to be a killer soldier guy. You know he is going to T-bag somebody and they won't like it. Keeping the "reasonable" nice guy is just an unknown for the crew. They don't really know that he is nice. He could turn on them for whatever reason.

Rush is just Dr.Evil at this point. He conceals vital information from the other crew members. He would cut somebody loose at the first convenience or inconvenience. I don't care for Wray either. Flush her out the Airlock. I guess she brings a big name to the show, but her character is just an annoying politician to fight with Young. We've got Rush to do plenty of fighting with Young plus T-bag will undoubtably fight with Young.

 

[Agent Richard07]

I enjoyed this episode. It was a good character piece.

Hell, considering Varro is a bad guy, he's probably one of the most likeable people on board the ship. I hope he stays around for a long, long time.

I might start calling him "Kevin Kilner".

You know what's really sad? It is now 2 and a half hours since the show aired, and only a handful of people have posted about it, and only 2 people have graded it, and I'm one of those two. Gone are the days of active day-of Stargate discussions, either live commentary or grading. If that doesn't show the decline in interest, I don't know what does. Tuesday is such a horrible night so far for this show, real interested in the ratings for tonight's episode.

Well, Space doesn't air it on Tuesdays along with Syfy, so I have to wait a day or two to come in here.

I think the worst part of this episode may have been the actual crash scene... the CGI was so bland... the clipping of the mountain.... it just felt really fake... BSG did that sort of thing much much better (well, I suppose BSG did a lot of stuff much much better, but you know what I mean).

I was actually pretty impressed with the crash scene. It looked more realistic than the usual CGI stuff we get on other shows.

What felt fake to me was the episode "Time". They should have shot it on location instead of on a soundstage. It was a great episode brought down by fake-looking sets.

+ The 'chair guy' (what's his name) manifesting himself to Rush

'Chair Guy' works for me. Not only did I not know his name, I forgot what he looked like. It's Dr. Franklin right? Still don't remember what he looks like.

- Music montage at the end (unnecessary) - they are starting to use it as a crutch for easy episode endings

I thought it worked. What would really have been out of place is if they used a pop song.

As a character piece dealing with Riley and Young it was very good, the death was handled extremely well...

Riley's situation didn't come off as being so bad that he had to be put down by Young. Seemed like they could have done something to save him.

 

[Jax]

As a character piece dealing with Riley and Young it was very good, the death was handled extremely well...

Riley's situation didn't come off as being so bad that he had to be put down by Young. Seemed like they could have done something to save him.

* He was pinned down by some big peices of debris

* Moving him would of seen him bleed out in minutes, way before he would of reached the gate.

* Destiny is on a time limit remember and the next jump means they would be out of reach.

Riley was DOA as soon as they crashed.

 

[Agent Richard07]

^ That's probably all good reasoning, it just didn't ring true, probably because it seems as if other characters walk away from worse injuries and predicaments all the time.

 

[The Habs Fan]

8

It's too bad SGU and Stargate are probably done after this season because SGU is starting to become a pretty good show.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I enjoyed this episode and thought the Riley story was well-done. A definite step up from last week, particularly as the episode was not full of characters acting like idiots--except for Wray.

I'd like to take a moment to talk about that. She is IOA and therefore a civilian, however it's inconceivable to me that IOA personnel wouldn't be briefed on factions like the Lucian Alliance. They are thugs, a galactic Mafia at best. Why was she so quick to trust them? Hasn't she learned by now that just because someone has a good sob story it doesn't mean they won't stab you in the back the first chance they get? She is hopelessly naive even at this late date.

That's one of the things that continues to irk me about this show. I am not military, I am not an expert on diplomacy or human psychology or Ancient technology or anything like that--and even then, I can see smarter solutions to these people's problems than anything they typically come up with. It really hurts the credibility of the story and the characters when a lay person in the audience can so easily outsmart the principals who are supposed to be really bright and experienced. Things like not venting the gate room when the LA were boarding. Disconnect Rush and sacrifice Telford. I'd say one (quasi-friendly) death is a gift in terms of acceptable losses under such circumstances.

I like that Young is a fuckup but there's a point where it's just not credible that this guy is a Colonel in the USAF while having such a poor ability to analyze a situation and use it to the maximum advantage. Being a Colonel can and should involve more than just telling people where to go and what to shoot at. That Rush had to solve the LA incursion problem--and only because he got lucky, at that--adds insult to injury.

I get it. These are the "wrong people," including those in charge. But if they're going to keep screwing up their mistakes should cost a lot more dearly. As far as I'm remembering it, I don't think anyone on this show has died on account of bona fide incompetence by another character. Franklin sat in the chair himself; TJ's baby wasn't a real character to begin with; the loss of power on the shuttle was an accident along with Riley's injuries.

Are the writers just unwilling to tackle the concept of a major character screwing up so badly that another main/recurring character dies?

I'm glad they were willing to off Riley, who'd been with the show since the beginning. It was done well and showed us a different side of Young. But, on the whole, the show can't have it both ways. These people can't be the "wrong people" for this mission yet always pull through and never screw up to the point that innocent people die. Let the next death not be an unfortunate accident but a direct consequence of someone making the wrong choice.

 

[AJBryant]

It gets an extra chevron for not having a crappy montage with emo music, keep it up.

This.

Oh, Dear Lord, this.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Yeah, the "montage" at the end of this one was positively subtle compared to what we usually get. I hope this is the start of a trend.

 

[Tom]

So know there out of shuttles..but wait maybe there get some from the seeder ship next week, how convient would that be. I wonder how they will even get on the seeder ship, docking ring, space suit, remote shuttle from the seeder ship, who knows.