Gave it a 5 for being cryptic shit and bringing back one of the worst characters in the show, as well as continuing the SGU tradition of relying on religious stuff as a crutch when they want to look "deep."
SG-U – Visitation - (2x09) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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and yet before the season began one of the producers said this season would be more humorous. Umm, really? It seems to just keep getting more and more depressing as it goes along. BTW, if the aliens find Caine before he died then why does he have to die like the others? These aliens seem like giant a-holes, although it was an extravagant way to give the ship a working shuttle by the writers.
I don't think we're done with these aliens yet, because I feel like at some point they are gonna follow up on the whole missing baby thing.
Mysterious. Spooky. Unsettling. Great science fiction as far as I'm concerned. It left me full of wonder and with a bunch of questions. The role of faith was more interesting explored because Kane is revealed to be lacking much of it. On the planet he was shown to be scared, fearful, agitated, unsure. Unlike a true believer he was exposed as a man who was full of doubts and not ready to meet his maker (and let go of life). I thought the flashbacks to what occurred on the planet were well done too. Once again even if the eps of SGU are flawed they at least approach their storys with a level of maturity that the first Stargates had no interest in.
Oh, the Chloe stuff was fantatsic. This is definitely the best handling of that character although some would say that isn't saying much. I feel for Chloe's plight as well as the pain her situation caused the crew. Her scene with Greer was amazing. But all of Greer's moments were fantatsic tonight thus proving once more what a tremendous actor Jamil Walker Smith is.
8.5 out of 10.
Oh, the Chloe stuff was fantatsic. This is definitely the best handling of that character although some would say that isn't saying much. I feel for Chloe's plight as well as the pain her situation caused the crew. Her scene with Greer was amazing. But all of Greer's moments were fantatsic tonight thus proving once more what a tremendous actor Jamil Walker Smith is.
8.5 out of 10.
This episode immediately made me think of the whole Starbuck and her Viper resurrection episode from nuBSG. We got crew that were resurrected and a shuttle that is in pristine, straight from the factory, condition. It's an exact copy of that episode from nuBSG. I guess this one was a little more specific in the way of explaining it was a really advanced alien species, unlike nuBSG, which had no explanation.
I liked seeing what a shuttle looks like brand new though, the lighting was bright white inside, and it looked very nice. Makes me imagine what Destiny would have looked like brand new with all her systems working at 100%.
Good episode, but nothing ground breaking in SCIFI, this story has been done over and over and over before. At least we got an answer to what happened to everyone on the planet, they all died! So there is closure there. That story line is wrapped up. Though we still don't know what happened to those people that went through the gate to an unexplored world in the first season.
The episode could have done without the Chloe monologues.
If anyone is doubting this isn't a nuBSG clone, this episode should prove it, the whole premise that God is behind everything. It's like I'm watching nuBSG all over again. Not that that is a bad thing, just making an observation.
I liked seeing what a shuttle looks like brand new though, the lighting was bright white inside, and it looked very nice. Makes me imagine what Destiny would have looked like brand new with all her systems working at 100%.
Good episode, but nothing ground breaking in SCIFI, this story has been done over and over and over before. At least we got an answer to what happened to everyone on the planet, they all died! So there is closure there. That story line is wrapped up. Though we still don't know what happened to those people that went through the gate to an unexplored world in the first season.
The episode could have done without the Chloe monologues.
If anyone is doubting this isn't a nuBSG clone, this episode should prove it, the whole premise that God is behind everything. It's like I'm watching nuBSG all over again. Not that that is a bad thing, just making an observation.
I don't get it. The episode indicated that people were reverting to the state they were in prior to the aliens arriving...The kino showed that at least one human was alive when the aliens showed up...so, why aren't any of them relieved? Doesn't that mean at least one of them is going to live?
He was alive when he saw their light (or whatever that was) but by the time they actually got to him he could have been a corpsicle. Once someone's suffering from exposure and hypothermia it doesn't take very long at all for them to slip away at all.
What I don't get is how a blunt force trauma can relapse? I mean exactly what was physically holding her skull together before it went squish? What if she'd been eaten by a predator instead? Would she spontaneously lacerate and start digesting? More to the point, if she died months prior then didn't they bury or burn the body? How much could have been left of her body before they sent it back? While it's oddly poetic in a Rod Serling kind of way, there's a number of logical problems with this whole scenario.
I don't have a problem with these über-Vorlons having technology so far beyond merely "advanced" that they can build star systems, restore primitive shuttles and tiny hairless apes to their factory settings. I can even get behind the idea that the people would start dropping because even they cannot create sustainable life out of inert organic matter, but suffering the same CoD again? Don't see how that could work.
The whole thing with Chloe was very off putting because it had nothing to do with *anything* else that was happening and the whole thing felt painfully forced and out of place. It was as if those scenes were lifted from a later episode and shoved in here because this show was coming in under the minimum required running time. But hey, we got to see that big dome place fixed!
What I don't get is how a blunt force trauma can relapse? I mean exactly what was physically holding her skull together before it went squish? What if she'd been eaten by a predator instead? Would she spontaneously lacerate and start digesting? More to the point, if she died months prior then didn't they bury or burn the body? How much could have been left of her body before they sent it back? While it's oddly poetic in a Rod Serling kind of way, there's a number of logical problems with this whole scenario.
I don't have a problem with these über-Vorlons having technology so far beyond merely "advanced" that they can build star systems, restore primitive shuttles and tiny hairless apes to their factory settings. I can even get behind the idea that the people would start dropping because even they cannot create sustainable life out of inert organic matter, but suffering the same CoD again? Don't see how that could work.
The whole thing with Chloe was very off putting because it had nothing to do with *anything* else that was happening and the whole thing felt painfully forced and out of place. It was as if those scenes were lifted from a later episode and shoved in here because this show was coming in under the minimum required running time. But hey, we got to see that big dome place fixed!
Shh! You know it doesn't like *that* word.
It's different in SGU though, they are referring often to the religious God, or "Intelligent Designer"
I just want to make clear, i don't think this is a BAD thing. I like it when shows approach the topic of intelligent design, and God. I myself am a Christian. I'm just pointing out observations how SGU seems very closely related to emulating nuBSG's take on God being behind everything. It is very very similar to that series. SGU is very different from SG1 and SGA in that regard.
I'm not sure that's what the show is saying anyway though. A Rush said, all he sees is evidence of an intelligence before there should have been any *as we know it*. This is not the same as proof of the existence of the Judeo-Christian "God."
What it actually reminds me of is an element from Carl Sagan's Contact (the book, not the film) wherein IIRC the aliens hint at a binary signature buried deep in a base eleven calculated pi as a sort of signature engrained in the fabric of space-time. Of course religious types often fail to spot the difference between this kind of made up concept and their made up stories.
What it actually reminds me of is an element from Carl Sagan's Contact (the book, not the film) wherein IIRC the aliens hint at a binary signature buried deep in a base eleven calculated pi as a sort of signature engrained in the fabric of space-time. Of course religious types often fail to spot the difference between this kind of made up concept and their made up stories.
Seriously? I mean do some of you guys rush to these boards just to give lame comparisons of an ep of SGU to previous sci fi shows?
Good grief. You know outside of some eps of Lost and BSG (which you don't seem to care for), can you tell me what recent sci fi show is ground breaking? Also can you tell me which series had stories that had not been done before? And for those out there who love the original Stargate series so much please clue me in on how those shows broke the mode or how they came up with original plotslines that were never used before. If you can't provide that then stop asking SGU to live up to your impossible standards.
Maybe....maybe not. But considering they only consisted of two scened and probably two minutes worth of screen time there's no need to really complain about them unless you just have to find something negative to point out and/or if you just hate the Chloe character.
If you thought that was the premise then you weren't paying attention or it went over your head. Only one person felt "God" was behind any of this and he was presented as being kind of a shaky fellow considering how uncertain he was when life got rough on the planet.
It was an interesting episode, but frustrating. Mainly because of the unseen super-aliens. You can make them as mysterious as you want, put you'd better have a well planned pay-off in mind later on. If this were Babylon 5, I could be confident that would happen, maybe years down the road, but happen it would. Since this is Stargate...I doubt it will ever be explained. Also did Caine live or die? Oh well, we'll see next week.
What I did like tonight were some of the character moments. Greer is now my favorite character on the show without question, every scene he was in was gold. Eli's Clarke reference was great. Young and Wray's conversation about people was funny.
But then there was Chloe, and Scott. Is it the actors who make the characters so weak, or the writing that makes the characters so weak? Or both? As I see it Chloe has three possible futures.
1) They find a cure for Chloe somehow somewhere and she returns to normal. In which case all the time spent on this Chloe-arc is kind of wasted.
2) Chloe transforms, maybe gets some new blue make-up, maybe some new abilities, and probably some sort of attitude adjustment. In my mind the most likely outcome. Unfortunately she remains Chloe.
3) Least likely, but potentially awesome would be a total or near total transformation. Something akin to Fred becoming Ilyria in Angel. Chloe would die and we would get a whole new character. I don't think the writers have the guts to do something like that, but it would shake things up nicely.
What I did like tonight were some of the character moments. Greer is now my favorite character on the show without question, every scene he was in was gold. Eli's Clarke reference was great. Young and Wray's conversation about people was funny.
But then there was Chloe, and Scott. Is it the actors who make the characters so weak, or the writing that makes the characters so weak? Or both? As I see it Chloe has three possible futures.
1) They find a cure for Chloe somehow somewhere and she returns to normal. In which case all the time spent on this Chloe-arc is kind of wasted.
2) Chloe transforms, maybe gets some new blue make-up, maybe some new abilities, and probably some sort of attitude adjustment. In my mind the most likely outcome. Unfortunately she remains Chloe.
3) Least likely, but potentially awesome would be a total or near total transformation. Something akin to Fred becoming Ilyria in Angel. Chloe would die and we would get a whole new character. I don't think the writers have the guts to do something like that, but it would shake things up nicely.
8. Although, I think I'm being generous. They're suffering from the "imagination disease" again. Previously, we had the not real lives (hallucinations), the not real battle (simulation), and now the not real crew (simulation). And, yeah, they were there physically but essentially it's the same thing. Because now they're gone and they weren't "real". Same dramatic effect. We get to see and experience what happened to the colony without really seeing it. We don't get the full effect.
So, it was interesting but a bit of a waste. I should revise by score downward but I already voted. It was entertaining but not as punchy as it could be.
All in all, I think the point of this episode is that they might find nice planets in the future but there won't be the desire to settle on it. Kills that angle in order to keep the crew on mission. That is if the show survives!
ETA: Agree with the others that the Chloe story line is dragging. Taking way too long to develop. The scenes with Greer were great but they don't redeem the entire storyline. So far, I'm seeing a lot of filler this season. If the show wants to survive, they better start filling the episodes up with plot developments.
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So, it was interesting but a bit of a waste. I should revise by score downward but I already voted. It was entertaining but not as punchy as it could be.
All in all, I think the point of this episode is that they might find nice planets in the future but there won't be the desire to settle on it. Kills that angle in order to keep the crew on mission. That is if the show survives!
ETA: Agree with the others that the Chloe story line is dragging. Taking way too long to develop. The scenes with Greer were great but they don't redeem the entire storyline. So far, I'm seeing a lot of filler this season. If the show wants to survive, they better start filling the episodes up with plot developments.
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I thought it was good. It was completely realistic that they couldn't have found a way to survive on the planet. I'm especially glad they actually mentioned that a critical part on the shuttle failed and nobody knew how to fix it.
If this was Trek either the aliens would have showed up in time to save them, the 'rebuilding' would have worked and they would have stayed on Destiny, or they would have somehow found some miraculous way to fix the shuttle.
They all died, so no reset button. (besides the shuttle being restored and returned to them)
Good stuff with Greer and Chloe too. Young has turned into an ass since the Lucian stuff, but that's probably what would happen.
If this was Trek either the aliens would have showed up in time to save them, the 'rebuilding' would have worked and they would have stayed on Destiny, or they would have somehow found some miraculous way to fix the shuttle.
They all died, so no reset button. (besides the shuttle being restored and returned to them)
Good stuff with Greer and Chloe too. Young has turned into an ass since the Lucian stuff, but that's probably what would happen.
4) She gets killed by Greer
I would love if the writers actually had Greer or anyone kill off Chloe. Heck, kill off any of the regulars, it would add a much needed dose of danger.
But I'll bet you five of the best drinks that Destiny's still can produce that Chloe will not die.
But I'll bet you five of the best drinks that Destiny's still can produce that Chloe will not die.
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