SG-A – Enemy At The Gate (5x20) FINALE – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)
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true, but he could have been sitting in the chair waiting for the moment it came into range, then slam it with everything they got before it could even launch darts, thing wouldn't know what hit em, drones could take out the darts too btw
shep can't be the only one on Earth capable of operating the chair, they should have had someone else sitting in it at the very least using it to take out the darts
true, but he could have been sitting in the chair waiting for the moment it came into range, then slam it with everything they got before it could even launch darts, thing wouldn't know what hit em, drones could take out the darts too btw
shep can't be the only one on Earth capable of operating the chair, they should have had someone else sitting in it at the very least using it to take out the darts
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Like I said above, the hive stayed out of range until after the darts destroyed the chair. And, the hive could have simply done against the drones what it did to the 302's: overwhelm it. The hive would simply have to keep sending larger and larger waves of darts after the chair until one of the kamakazi runs made it through, and the odds of Sheppard being good enough to stop them all is slim.
Like I said above, the hive stayed out of range until after the darts destroyed the chair. And, the hive could have simply done against the drones what it did to the 302's: overwhelm it. The hive would simply have to keep sending larger and larger waves of darts after the chair until one of the kamakazi runs made it through, and the odds of Sheppard being good enough to stop them all is slim.
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UGH.... Bad is my review...
That has to be the most rushed series ender I have ever seen. Complete with more than enough reset buttons for a whole season.
So in that way it was oddly appropriate finale for such a .. frustrating... show that SG:A was. I wanted to be a big fan, but I simply cared less and less for every season. If I didn't have a convenient season pass on my TV I would have stopped watching before this.
Misc notes:
- "Wormhole drive"? Are they #$^(#$( kidding?
- Ronon death and resurrection - just when you think SG will do something ballsy, they pulled back. As always.
- Yet another opportunity to make the SG program public. See above point. Why am I even surprised.
- Wow, nice nuke explosion.
They truly are as powerful as the plot demands.
- Yet another big battle off-screen. (Apollo and the chinese ship)
There overall idea/plot was actually not bad... But the execution was just horrid. This could have been great - even classic - spread over a few episodes. (This makes all the time wasted on the "Vegas" episode even worse in retrospect.) Or it should have been saved for the SG:A movie.
But the characters (by far the most entertaining aspect of SG:A) deserved a much better send-off, something more intimate for the characters. Not this jumbled mess.
Blah. The series had a few great episodes, but overall - Blah.
UGH.... Bad is my review...
That has to be the most rushed series ender I have ever seen. Complete with more than enough reset buttons for a whole season.
So in that way it was oddly appropriate finale for such a .. frustrating... show that SG:A was. I wanted to be a big fan, but I simply cared less and less for every season. If I didn't have a convenient season pass on my TV I would have stopped watching before this.
Misc notes:
- "Wormhole drive"? Are they #$^(#$( kidding?
- Ronon death and resurrection - just when you think SG will do something ballsy, they pulled back. As always.
- Yet another opportunity to make the SG program public. See above point. Why am I even surprised.
- Wow, nice nuke explosion.
They truly are as powerful as the plot demands.- Yet another big battle off-screen. (Apollo and the chinese ship)
There overall idea/plot was actually not bad... But the execution was just horrid. This could have been great - even classic - spread over a few episodes. (This makes all the time wasted on the "Vegas" episode even worse in retrospect.) Or it should have been saved for the SG:A movie.
But the characters (by far the most entertaining aspect of SG:A) deserved a much better send-off, something more intimate for the characters. Not this jumbled mess.
Blah. The series had a few great episodes, but overall - Blah.
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Re: SG-A – Enemy At The Gate (5x20) FINALE – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILE
I will say I'm interested to know what the Odyssey was doing on its secret mission that prevented it from showing up for the fight.
(or was that a hint at something I was already supposed to know about?)
I will say I'm interested to know what the Odyssey was doing on its secret mission that prevented it from showing up for the fight.
(or was that a hint at something I was already supposed to know about?)
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After watching the finale It was nice to see the Sga crew on Earth but I wish they had shown more to prepare for the arrival of the Wraith ship. And I liked the Todd and Shepard scenes they had in this finale. Todd's fate was left open ended so I guess he'll be returning in some future Atlantis movie. It was nice to see the crew together at the end.
After watching the finale It was nice to see the Sga crew on Earth but I wish they had shown more to prepare for the arrival of the Wraith ship. And I liked the Todd and Shepard scenes they had in this finale. Todd's fate was left open ended so I guess he'll be returning in some future Atlantis movie. It was nice to see the crew together at the end.
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No, it was a load of nonsense designed to explain why we couldn't put our ZPM-powered, Ori-killer ship up against theirs.
That bugged me, the non-death of Ronon bugged me, the sudden introduction of this "wormhole drive" bugged me and the loss of the Ancient Chair bugged me (the non-proliferation treaty says they have to move it so they move it to a building at Area 51 ? Stick it miles underground!!!).
Still, aside from those problems I enjoyed it. It gets a Good from me.
No, it was a load of nonsense designed to explain why we couldn't put our ZPM-powered, Ori-killer ship up against theirs.
That bugged me, the non-death of Ronon bugged me, the sudden introduction of this "wormhole drive" bugged me and the loss of the Ancient Chair bugged me (the non-proliferation treaty says they have to move it so they move it to a building at Area 51 ? Stick it miles underground!!!).
Still, aside from those problems I enjoyed it. It gets a Good from me.
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Or the middle of the Bermuda Triangle - better yet, just sink the thing again.
Or the middle of the Bermuda Triangle - better yet, just sink the thing again.
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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."
Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!
Now that the important business is over, I voted good. As a show-runner, being asked to wrap up your entire series in one hour-long episode (in reality, just 44 minutes) has to be a nightmare scenario. And for as tall a task as that was, I believe that Joseph Mallozi and Paul Mullie responded admirably. "Enemy At The Gate" was an action-packed episode that successfully managed to get Atlantis (and our characters) all the way from Pegasus to Earth in one outing. I applaud that effort -- even if the importance of "Vegas" now looks more dubious than ever.
The importance of "Vegas" as it relates to concluding the series will be debated for years to come. And it should be debated. Because as penultimate episodes go, it could've (and should've) serviced the finale much better than it did.
As a standalone, though, I found "Enemy At The Gate" to be a semi-satisfactory conclusion; fitting, because it was a part of a series that was really never more than semi-satisfactory itself.
In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."
Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!
Now that the important business is over, I voted good. As a show-runner, being asked to wrap up your entire series in one hour-long episode (in reality, just 44 minutes) has to be a nightmare scenario. And for as tall a task as that was, I believe that Joseph Mallozi and Paul Mullie responded admirably. "Enemy At The Gate" was an action-packed episode that successfully managed to get Atlantis (and our characters) all the way from Pegasus to Earth in one outing. I applaud that effort -- even if the importance of "Vegas" now looks more dubious than ever.
The importance of "Vegas" as it relates to concluding the series will be debated for years to come. And it should be debated. Because as penultimate episodes go, it could've (and should've) serviced the finale much better than it did.
As a standalone, though, I found "Enemy At The Gate" to be a semi-satisfactory conclusion; fitting, because it was a part of a series that was really never more than semi-satisfactory itself.
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Far too rushed, far too busy - and I would have sooner liked the idea of the nuke hollowing-out the squishier parts of the Wraith ship, leaving the outer hull floating in orbit as a hollowed-out wreck...
...sigh.
Far too rushed, far too busy - and I would have sooner liked the idea of the nuke hollowing-out the squishier parts of the Wraith ship, leaving the outer hull floating in orbit as a hollowed-out wreck...
...sigh.
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All of the BC-304s have the Asgardian beam weapony and I'm sure all of the ones in the Pegasus galaxy had a ZPM.
All of the BC-304s have the Asgardian beam weapony and I'm sure all of the ones in the Pegasus galaxy had a ZPM.
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The Asgard equipment and weapons didn't require ZPMs, I thought. And, I don't think they've found enough working ZPM's to spread them out to all the Pegasus ships.
The Asgard equipment and weapons didn't require ZPMs, I thought. And, I don't think they've found enough working ZPM's to spread them out to all the Pegasus ships.
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No, they recovered three ZPMs once they'd gotten rid of the Replicators in "The Return, Part Two". Prior to that, the last ZPM they had was fully drained in "McKay and Mrs. Miller".
One went to the Odyssey, one went to power the Ancient outpost and Atlantis kept one. Earth's other ships - the Daedalus, Apollo, Sun Tzu and the General Hammond - do not have ZPMs.
They drained the Atlantis one in "Adrift" but managed to steal one from the Replicators to replace it.
No, they recovered three ZPMs once they'd gotten rid of the Replicators in "The Return, Part Two". Prior to that, the last ZPM they had was fully drained in "McKay and Mrs. Miller".
One went to the Odyssey, one went to power the Ancient outpost and Atlantis kept one. Earth's other ships - the Daedalus, Apollo, Sun Tzu and the General Hammond - do not have ZPMs.
They drained the Atlantis one in "Adrift" but managed to steal one from the Replicators to replace it.
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There's no way the Daedalus could've or the others for that matter could've reached the Pegasus galaxy in the time needed for them to fight the hive ship without a ZPM and there's no proof that the outpost still has one without the chair being there, I don't see they could work the defences from Area 51. And since the General Hammond was still close to earth no I can't see it having a ZPM. Besides I can't see the Daedalus surviving that battle against the hive ship without a ZPM though.
There's no way the Daedalus could've or the others for that matter could've reached the Pegasus galaxy in the time needed for them to fight the hive ship without a ZPM and there's no proof that the outpost still has one without the chair being there, I don't see they could work the defences from Area 51. And since the General Hammond was still close to earth no I can't see it having a ZPM. Besides I can't see the Daedalus surviving that battle against the hive ship without a ZPM though.
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^It's not a matter of what you can see, it's a matter of what has been shown on screen. Finding a ZPM is a big deal in this show, it doesn't happen off-screen.
I said the Ancient Outpost had a ZPM, if the chair has moved then it's ZPM would go with it.
The Daedalus makes regular trips backwards and forwards between Earth and Atlantis. It was probably already in the Pegasus galaxy. Their shields, which had previously stood up to heavy fire from Wraith vessels without a ZPM, went down in seconds. They made a point of saying they were dead in the water and it's only because the Wraith chose not to continue firing that they survived.
^It's not a matter of what you can see, it's a matter of what has been shown on screen. Finding a ZPM is a big deal in this show, it doesn't happen off-screen.
I said the Ancient Outpost had a ZPM, if the chair has moved then it's ZPM would go with it.
The Daedalus makes regular trips backwards and forwards between Earth and Atlantis. It was probably already in the Pegasus galaxy. Their shields, which had previously stood up to heavy fire from Wraith vessels without a ZPM, went down in seconds. They made a point of saying they were dead in the water and it's only because the Wraith chose not to continue firing that they survived.