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News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

Captain Mercer sure knows a lot of obscure stuff. He knows Elvis Presley's last words. And even though humans no longer keep animals captive he knows about Shamu.
Meh. Captain Louvois knew what a toaster was in the TNG episode The Measure of a Man.
 
Just in the second episode alone I found so many problems:

* Why doesn't a race that uses holograms to disguise ships, have the technology to detect other ships using it?

Arrogance. They view species below their technological level as little more than animals. While they probably have technology that can detect holograms made by other races, the thought that their own technology could be used against them didn't occur to them. For the same reason that humans don't make monkey-proof guns.

* Are there no names on these aliens ships? No transponder signals identifying the vessels? It's amazing the Orville got in in that kind of disguise.

Again, arrogance. The alien race see themselves as almost alone in the universe, so therefore a simple scan that just distinguishes between their vessels and vessels of lesser species is enough for them.
And who knows, maybe their civilization has an anarchist mindset, and considers the thought of a central registry of ships, tracking each one, as abhorrent.

* Why is Alara in a position to command a ship? Sorry, but in the Trek universe which Seth seems to love so much, it takes years and years to get promoted just once passed ensign and simply putting on a uniform doesn't mean the Federation trusts you to be the third in command.
Picard: First in command, second ship, rank of Captain with decades of service.
Riker: Second in command, forth ship of service, rank of Commander with over a decade experience.
Data: third in command, second ship of service, rank of Lt. Commander with over twenty years in service.

The more experienced officer who would normally be in charge, was sidelined due to (lol) egg hatching duties. Alana was only supposed to have the com for a few hours anyways. And that is how you get experienced officers: By giving them responsibility, tiny pieces at a time.

* Goddamn the Union doesn't give a fuck. They aren't even trying a negotiation, despite that admiral's words -- just declaring them lost in the line of duty and replicable.

Well first of all, all experience has taught them that the Alien race doesn't acknowledge humans. Negotiations take two parties. Sending another ship on the remote off chance that they'll negotiate is incredibly risky. What if the aliens decide they need more humans for their zoo? Or perhaps a whole Union ship for target practice or to exhibit one?

* Drinking on duty.

Don't use your American puritanical standards on something that takes place 400 years from now. Drinking while on duty may be cause a moral panic in the US Navy today, but that was not the case in relatively recent times. In the British navy there was such a thing as a rum ration that was taken while on duty. The Russian Army also on occasion had vodka rations that were used before action or in cold conditions.

There's no reason to believe that the Union space fleet might also have a more relaxed/utilitarian view on alcohol 400 years from now.

* So, if the doctor has command after Alara, who is the doctor in a real emergency with wounded and/or casualties?

I suppose that the Doctor isn't the only member of medical staff, she probably has an assistant or second in command.
 
They really, really should Kill Hitler. It's the only Time Travel story they should do. No downside to doing that story, for a show that's fast on its feet and silly and pretty unembarrassed about being derivative (well, that's McFarlane after all).

Idk man... Not even Seth McFarlane can escape the primary rule of time travel. Don't change stuff, cause you don't foresee the consequences.

And I could imagine plenty of downsides to traveling back in time to kill Hitler.

Imagine coming back to the future and finding out, that because you killed Hitler, all the technological advances of the 40ies never happened, or happened much later, and the earth is at a 1960ies level of technology.

Or even worse: Because they killed Hitler, earth has been under a Stalinist type dictatorship for the past 400 years.
 
I showed the first two episodes to a friend of mine who is a totally sci-fi uninitiated. She never watched an episode of any Star Trek show, and she perhaps watched a Star Wars movie, but she isn't sure which one. She is more a Criminal Minds person.

Well, she really liked it, and she absolutely wants to see the third episode. It was an interesting experience even for me: we had to stop the episode a couple of time because I had to explain to her some random technobabble ("Just ignore it") and she found the alien zoo a really intriguing and novelty idea...

Perhaps to much sci-fi ruined the fun for me? :rommie:
 
Random thing I forgot to say earlier - as much as I used to hate the TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT streaking-stars warp effect (the stars move way, way too fast for the speeds they're meant to be going), I squeed when I saw it in The Orville.

Being a fan is complicated:lol:
 
Don't use your American puritanical standards on something that takes place 400 years from now. Drinking while on duty may be cause a moral panic in the US Navy today, but that was not the case in relatively recent times. In the British navy there was such a thing as a rum ration that was taken while on duty. The Russian Army also on occasion had vodka rations that were used before action or in cold conditions.

There's no reason to believe that the Union space fleet might also have a more relaxed/utilitarian view on alcohol 400 years from now.

In episode 1, it seemed Mercer's main gripe was the time of day Malloy was drinking.

"It's 9 o'clock in the morning"
 
Idk man... Not even Seth McFarlane can escape the primary rule of time travel. Don't change stuff, cause you don't foresee the consequences.

And I could imagine plenty of downsides to traveling back in time to kill Hitler.

Imagine coming back to the future and finding out, that because you killed Hitler, all the technological advances of the 40ies never happened, or happened much later, and the earth is at a 1960ies level of technology.

Or even worse: Because they killed Hitler, earth has been under a Stalinist type dictatorship for the past 400 years.

See? They could have a lot of fun with this.
 
Captain Mercer sure knows a lot of obscure stuff. He knows Elvis Presley's last words. And even though humans no longer keep animals captive he knows about Shamu.

A fan of 20th/21st century pop culture. Not sure I see a problem? We still have a thing for Shakespeare.
 
My only complaint about the episode was the Compton joke. If this show is really not a slapstick parody, then why include a joke like this? It stood out like a sore thumb and took me right out of the episode.
That caught me too. 25 years after NWA hit big Compton isn't even mostly black anymore. 35 years before they made it blacks were restricted from living there. That 400 years later that could be a reference, I guess Dr Dre and Ice Cube are equal to Elvis in the future.:hugegrin:
 
I laughed at the Compton joke and liked it a great deal, because it was turned the whole snobbery thing in a slightly unexpected direction.

I see that Brent Spiner has had to respond to questions on Twitter about whether he's voicing Isaac. He generously said good things about Mark Jackson in the process. :D

Wild that there are two Orville topics in the Discovery forum right now. I think I'm done with that place until sometime after the premiere, though, when it all settles down a bit.
 
A fan of 20th/21st century pop culture. Not sure I see a problem? We still have a thing for Shakespeare.

Yeah, people on Star Trek know everything about the 15th century and nothing about the time we live in, despite the fact that we're living at the beginning of what - if things were go on this way and build to the super-techno Trek/Orville future (no fucking way) - would be the most completely documented, recorded and easily-retrieved era of human history.
 
Wild that there are two Orville topics in the Discovery forum right now.
Do I remember correctly that once there was a sub-forum dedicated to Lost here? What is the procedure for requesting a new forum?
Yeah, people on Star Trek know everything about the 15th century and nothing about the time we live in, despite the fact that we're living at the beginning of what - if things were go on this way and build to the super-techno Trek/Orville future (no fucking way) - would be the most completely documented, recorded and easily-retrieved era of human history.
Yep. Every time they had to travel in the 20/21th they were always completely baffled. But they were perfectly comfortable in the 19th century or in the Robin Hood era.
 
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Do I remember correctly that once there was a sub-forum dedicated to Lost here? What is the procedure for requesting a new forum?

Well, for one thing I expect they'd have to get a renewal from Fox before anyone would go to the effort of setting up a subforum - if every here-today/gone-tomorrow series got a forum based on early enthusiasm it would be complicated.

Other shows without forums include The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones and The Expanse.

I'd kind of love one for The Orville, but it's probably not to be any time soon.

I thought for two minutes about starting an Orville BBS, but frankly the Bulletin Board format has become outdated by preference for social media like Facebook and Reddit.
 
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