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Series Rewatch Leading Up to Season 3

Got to “If Memory Serves”, and enjoyed it just as much the second time. So rewarding to have a sequel to “The Cage” some fifty plus years on, and to have it actually add to the original rather than feel a pointless rehash. The scenes with Pike and Vina (loved Melissa George in the role) added a great deal of poignancy by showing that Pike had feelings for Vina too rather than it being one sided. That makes his eventual fate, specifically his return to Talos IV, rather sweeter.

something that’s really struck me on this rewatch is just how visually beautiful this show is. The glorious sets, the lighting and cinematography, the effects. It’s just stunning. That said, for the love of the PROPHETS i wish they’d ease back on the damn lens flare. It’s really distracting and unnecessary.
 
something that’s really struck me on this rewatch is just how visually beautiful this show is. The glorious sets, the lighting and cinematography, the effects. It’s just stunning. That said, for the love of the PROPHETS i wish they’d ease back on the damn lens flare. It’s really distracting and unnecessary.

I agree so much with this. The last episode I saw was New Eden (I also got to DS9's Occupation arc so I wanted to finish that and I plan to see more Discovery tonight) and the scene with the Asteroid was really great.

One of the things I loved about Brother and New Eden was how much dialogue Detmer and Owo got. I know it won't last and they will fade into the background again like in Season 1, but just the chemistry they had together during the Asteroid rescue scene in Brother was very enjoyable. I know they are minor characters, but I really hope they do more of letting them be kind of those side characters on away missions. Lets get Detmer on an away mission, and maybe use her implant in a storyline or something. I still want to know what that thing does.
 
I have rewatched most of the first season but when CBS aired "Battle at the Binary Stars" I decided to watch that again mainly because I could watch it on my big screen TV instead of my laptop. What was more noticeable this time was how heartbroken and angry Burnham was when she couldn't save Georgiou or even take her body from the Klingon ship. This nicely sets up her motivation later for saving mirror Georgiou under similar conditions.
 
One of the things I love about rewatching a series is the appreciation I gain just because of the passage of time. When a show like Discovery first airs, it's pretty much the main focus in fandom and you have the absolute lovers and the absolute haters. I'm not sure if it is easy, with those two groups in mind, to really sit back and think about an episode the way each episode deserves. This happened for me with DS9 and it happened for me with Enterprise. I remember really not liking the third season of Enterprise, to the point where I didn't even watch Season 4 when it originally aired. Now I consider Enterprise my third favorite Star Trek show because of those two seasons, and how Seasons 1 and 2 laid the groundwork for 3 and 4 to flourish as much as it did.

I bring up the passage of time to let something simmer because I'm currently rewatching Discovery to prepare myself for next week and the episode I just watched was The Sound of Thunder. On the heels of Lower Decks having a sensational Season finale, I was thinking what are my favorite episodes of the Kurtzman era Star Trek. If Memory Serves is the first to come to mind, followed probably by Lower Decks' No Small Parts and I think I can put Sound of Thunder third. This episode was probably the one that made me love Suru as a character. It was set up in An Obel for Cheron but this one absolutely took that arc and stuck the landing perfectly. It also felt like a classic Star Trek episode. You have the mystery of Kaminar, the Mystery of the Great Balance and Suru finding out the truth and using his experience of leaving his home to save his home. Like the thesis of the episode says, he left his home to find hope, and brought that hope back with him. Doug Jones really was sensational here, and I loved the look of the Ba'ul ships and the Predator/Armus look of the Ba'ul themselves. Also, taking away the fact that the Red Angel is Burnham (I am going into that arc not feeling very good about it, but I wonder how that will change when I get there), that scene where it appears to Suru was a great climax. This episode is really what Star Trek is all about. Exploring the Galaxy and learning about ourselves in the process. I always go back to Q's quote in All Good Things about charting the unknown possibilities of existence, and I always found that to be the mission statement of Star Trek as a whole. This episode did exactly that, and I was really surprised how much I loved this episode this time around.
 
I haven't rewatched any yet, I'm going to start the last 3 episodes of Season 2 over the weekend!
 
I'm finally rewatching the best episode of Discovery (If Memory Serves) and it holds up. It's still a great sequel to The Cage but it was a pretty big episode in terms of the red angel arc as well. Also, all this time I've been wrong about the course of Stamets in Season 2. I thought he was just pining about Culber all season, but that's not true. In fact, the relationship is coming off better the second time around than originally, even though I really do hope we see Culber be a doctor in Season 3. Still, we've had plenty of early arrogant engineering Stamets in the episodes up to this point.

I was really taken aback by Burnham's racism towards Spock though. For all the naysayers who call Burnham a mary sue, I think this episode should prove once and for all how flawed she was. It's interesting how it feels like you either like Burnham or you hate Burnham. For me, SMQ is doing the best she can with the character, and I've gained more appreciation for the actress over the years based on what I heard at the Las Vegas convention about how dedicated she is to the role and wanting to make everyone else better. Still, in terms of the character of Burnham, she's just ok.

One other thing, nice reference to Enterprise with The Forge. Was the creature that was chasing Burnham Discovery's version of a Selaht? It looked like a gigantic spider.
 
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Binging the rest of Disco over the course of today and tomorrow. I'm back to my Pre-Covid work schedule now, so it won't be possible to get through much on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Though work is quite a bit different now. I edit public access shows that were recorded over Zoom and I record and live-stream (then edit) a bunch of high school sports (which have started up again) because parents can't attend the games. And they always want those things pronto.
 
I have two episodes left in Season 2 and then I'll be ready to watch Season 3, although I'll be doing that on Tuesdays rather than on Thursdays.
 
'Perpetual Infinity' was the first clunker of the season for me. It's certainly not bad, but I found the twist involving Burnham's mother strained credulity to almost breaking point. Firstly, it was a big case of small universe syndrome. Secondly, the angel suit seemed to confer almost godlike powers. How exactly did Burnham senior get to be all-knowing and all-powerful? Where was the camera recording her in those logs? I do rather like the red angel concept, but it does beg questions that I didn't feel were satisfactorily answered. The scenes between Burnham and her mother were trying to push the emotional buttons big style, but I found myself completely unaffected. But anyway, I have three more episodes to go and if I recall they're pretty dang good.
 
I watched Project Daedelus last night. I think I have a positive reaction to it this time around, but I still don't like how they tried to fill in so much character work for Airiam, when they could have done it speradically throughout the series. For example, the scene where Airiam is reliving a memory of her, Tilly, and Detmer eating lunch together could have been numerous scenes like that before now. That's the kind of character building I'm looking for in a series like this. Ok, so Detmer and Airiam are not main characters, but Tilly is and it looked like she has a great rapore with the other two. Isn't that something you want to build on to define Tilly's character? It's just those kind of casual scenes that make these characters more relatable, and it's the strength of The Orville. Everyone talks about the Jokes on the Orville but for me, it's the characters and the relationships that make the show. It also allows something like Airiam's death scene to have a much more greater impact than it did.

One thing I am noticing though is Detmer is a lot more active this season than I originally thought. It's actually been a pleasant surprise as I go through this season for the first time since watching it originally.
 
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Why? You watched it and that is your opinion. In my opinion, yeah, there was a lot of contrivance as part of it. The time crystal was pretty much a MacGuffin and doing what a lot of Trek does-based upon the needs of the plot. Same with the torpedo.

As for Ash, I think him being on that ship surrounded by L'Rell's loyal followers would be different than her speaking to the whole assembly, so I saw that as little issue.

I could offer counter point to a lot the comments, but ultimately, if you were lost before I doubt my explanation is going to make that big of difference.

Thanks for the response. Muted as it was.

Unlike some, my opinions are subject to change if new information is brought to light. I realize I am capable of missing things or overlooking something. For example, your point about Ash is well taken.

I am Fox Mulder on this show. I WANT TO BELIEVE it isn't crappy, but I think it is. Especially the 2nd half of last season.
 
Thanks for the response. Muted as it was.

Unlike some, my opinions are subject to change if new information is brought to light. I realize I am capable of missing things or overlooking something. For example, your point about Ash is well taken.

I am Fox Mulder on this show. I WANT TO BELIEVE it isn't crappy, but I think it is. Especially the 2nd half of last season.
Here's my view, such that it is. The characters are not crappy, and so my enjoyment is predicated on responding to the characters in the situation. I'm less concerned about plot contrivances because I'm invested in the characters.

Now, there is a flaw in that I'm more forgiving of it. I'm more inclined to be generous even when the plot makes little sense. I'll read in to the situation.

That's why my answers ultimately are unsatisfactory to many. I'm reading in to the situation, willing to work within the story so it makes sense to me.
 
I am Fox Mulder on this show. I WANT TO BELIEVE it isn't crappy
So you're Fox Mulder during the fifth season when Kritschgau turned him into a skeptic despite his natural inclinations to think otherwise.

Section 31 and Control wanted you think DSC sucks like Kritschgau wanted Mulder to think the military was trolling him about the actual existence of aliens.
 
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Here's my view, such that it is. The characters are not crappy, and so my enjoyment is predicated on responding to the characters in the situation. I'm less concerned about plot contrivances because I'm invested in the characters.

Now, there is a flaw in that I'm more forgiving of it. I'm more inclined to be generous even when the plot makes little sense. I'll read in to the situation.

That's why my answers ultimately are unsatisfactory to many. I'm reading in to the situation, willing to work within the story so it makes sense to me.

I echo all of this.
 
Here's my view, such that it is. The characters are not crappy, and so my enjoyment is predicated on responding to the characters in the situation. I'm less concerned about plot contrivances because I'm invested in the characters.

Now, there is a flaw in that I'm more forgiving of it. I'm more inclined to be generous even when the plot makes little sense. I'll read in to the situation.

That's why my answers ultimately are unsatisfactory to many. I'm reading in to the situation, willing to work within the story so it makes sense to me.
Yeah, I think that's one of the key things: being invested in the characters. Actually liking the characters.

If you don't have that then pretty much everything else falls apart.

I liked everyone on the bridge within minutes after the opening credits of the first episode. Most of them you just saw and they didn't say anything, but they all felt comfortable to me. Everything felt right.

And as I go off on a little bit of a tangent, but contrast that to virtually every other Star Trek series for me. The Next Generation I kind of liked Picard and that was really about it. Everyone else was like, "Oh god, I so do not care about you and whatever you're doing." Same with Deep Space Nine. I liked Sisko and Major Kira right away, everyone else, no. Voyager I liked Janeway immediately, everyone else, no. So since I wasn't invested in the characters everything else about the shows didn't work. I couldn't buy into the stories because I couldn't get by the surface details. I was of the mindset of like "Star Wars came out in 1977 and it looks better this thing 10 or 15 years later. I know this is TV and that's a movie, but still, f*ck... c'mon." And I guess the late 80s was around the time where I just started watching only CNN and ESPN (and the later MSNBC).

I didn't watch any genre stuff at all in the 90s because I just couldn't buy into the worlds that they were presenting. I followed what was going on always in the hope of finding something to watch, but that was about it. I think Game of Thrones changed that for genre television for me, because I could easily buy into that world.

Anyway, coming back, yeah, when you like the characters it's easy to make the show work. You still see stuff that may be kind of stupid, or that you don't like, or that you wished they'd done different or not at all, but it's not big enough to be a deal breaker. Because heaven knows you can rip apart any Star Trek series, but if you love the characters then everything else is easy to get past.
 
Anyway, coming back, yeah, when you like the characters it's easy to make the show work. You still see stuff that may be kind of stupid, or that you don't like, or that you wished they'd done different or not at all, but it's not big enough to be a deal breaker. Because heaven knows you can rip apart any Star Trek series, but if you love the characters then everything else is easy to get past.
Exactly. I was thinking about side characters and becoming invested and it made me think of my first Trek episode, Balance of Terror. Now, only one person dies on the Enterprise and that was a one off character. And yet, I'm still stricken because I'm invested in Kirk and his response.

Same with the Discovery bridge crew. The loss of the Gagarin hits hard because the crew is struck so deeply. I'm onboard with this crew.

Obviously, mileage will vary but I don't need a lot of character lines to connect.
 
"Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
I've got to say I didn't like Tyler much in the second season but I'm reminded of why I liked the character so much in the first season. I think at this stage, he thinks he knows who he is. He helped out Lorca in "Choose Your Pain" and helped out Burnham here. He moved things along and helped make things happen.

Once Tyler doesn't know who he is and tries to retreat into Section 31, that's when his character starts to become annoying. Instead of embracing both halves of who he is, it's like he's trying to run away and become a third version of himself like Section 31 is his entire life.

The party was awesome. They need to have more of those.

And I got a huge kick out of how they handled time-travel in this episode. They had the "Cause and Effect" plot, but it didn't feel like one. Harry Mudd and the party are what make it feel so different.

Guilty Pleasure: I liked watching Mudd destroy the ship and kill Lorca so many times. It was all going to get reset until he got what he wanted, so it all plays like the black comedy it really is.

I still don't understand how the Spore Drive makes Stamets act so weird. Especially during this portion of the season. It didn't have quite that type of affect on him earlier on or later.

I can see why Burnham and Tyler got together, even though I don't think they made a great couple. Burnham had never truly been in love before and Tyler had PTSD. PTSD he was hiding very well at this point, but still PTSD. Burnham had someone she felt warm towards, Tyler had someone who wasn't a torturer. So the feelings were genuine even if the chemistry wasn't the best. In contrast: I expect Burnham and Book to hit it off immediately, with no awkwardness, and have perfect chemistry. Or near-perfect.

And then there's time crystals. This is the first time they're referenced. Little did we know how important of a role they'd play later.
 
I’m now 3 episodes alway from finishing the season and being ready for season 3, and I think I know where I stand on both seasons. I liked the plot (minus how rushed the conclusion was) on Season 1 more than season 2, but the character work on season 2 is better, especially when it comes to Detmer, Stamets, Culber, Spock, Burnham (even though I don’t like how everything is revolving around her), Pike, and Suru. In fact, I think season 2’s character development of the cast was a lot better than I originally remember.

where season 2 is failing for me, though is the feeling of too much stuff going on, with the Red Angel, Control, Burnham discovering her mother was the red angel, and Spocks story in the early season. In fact this season was good up to If Memory Serves and then for some reason it kinda drops off. If someone can actually simplify the red angel and control, I would appreciate it. I guess control becoming an evolved terminator and the Red Angel is trying to stop it through time?

In Season 1, you had the Klingon War, Lorca’s story, how the Mirror Universe impacts you psychologically, and the end of the war. It seemed much more simplified, while doing a good job introducing the characters and Discovery.

i will say Admiral Cornwell might be this generations Admiral Necheyev. She is a very multi-faceted Admiral. She means well but has done some bad things.
 
"The Escape Artist"
Switching to Short Treks before I go back to Discovery, just to keep the Harry Mudd episodes together. When Harry Mudd is trying to negotiate with the Tellarite who wants to kill him, he reminds me of Quark. They'd get a long great. One of the things Mudd is wanted for is "penetrating a space whale?" To which Harry says, "You had to be there." I'm guessing this is the Gormagander. So I guess he went hopping off again after Stella and her father came to the rescue last time.

Harry Mudd really needs to learn how to fight, given the types of people he more-than-sometimes deals with. And I love how he's committed so many crimes that he can't remember them all. He really has to think back to figure out what he did to the Tellarite. And he just says whatever he can to anyone who's captured him or he's in trouble with, saying the same exact things to all of them. Everything he says is cookie-cutter and he hopes it'll fit whatever situation he's in and they'll see something in what he says. Kind of reminds me of some other people who'll say the same thing no matter where they are. And if what they say is cookie-cutter, then they put no thought into it and they can be disregarded. That's why Harry Mudd really isn't trust-worthy. They don't just say he's a con-man, this short shows exactly how it is a con-man. His word means jack shit.

We get a feel for how some of the economics of the Quadrant work. Including that there are taxes in the Federation (I guess they tax "credits") and that Latinum was the main form of currency in general even in the 23rd Century. Not to get political, but I get a kick out of Harry Mudd saying "Rich people get to do whatever they want." That has to be a play on Donald Trump saying, "When they're rich, they let you do it."

When they show the flashback of Harry Mudd being held captive by the Orions, I like how it isn't played straight. "Hey imbecile, you know they have a camera, right?"

When they cut back to Harry Mudd being captive with the Tellarite, and a Starfleet ship demands Harry Mudd be turned over to them, there's his line to the Talerite, "Take me home with you. I'll polish your tusks." I don't know why I like that line, but I do. It sounds more like he'd be willing to polish something else too... And then he gets beamed over to the Starfleet ship anyway. Good move, Tellarite Captain. Don't listen to him, no matter what he says...

... because he's a robot anyway! It's not the real Harry Mudd. The real Harry Mudd's off somewhere else, back to his old tricks yet again. I liked this one better watching it the second than the first.

"Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
One thing that's different about the beginning of this episode is that when Discovery comes to the rescue, it isn't able to save the ship that's under attack from the Klingons and they have to get the Hell out of there. It works on two fronts. First, to show that Discovery isn't going win every battle it gets into, Spore Drive or no Spore Drive. Second, it builds the Klingon cloaking device up as a major and growing threat. If Starfleet can't detect cloaks, Klingons can show up anywhere any time.

Wanting a cloaking device is the real reason that L'Rell starts trying to get into Kol's good graces once it becomes clear more and more Klingons have aligned with him. Like in TNG and DS9, we see here that not all Klingons are on the same page. L'Rell doesn't want to serve under Kol, but sees it as a means to an end. Not only does he have cloaking technology he can give her, but he also has Cornwell captive. She's hoping to use Cornwell to get to Discovery and Tyler/Voq but, if not, at least she's in Kol's good graces. Either way, she benefits.

Someone like L'Rell is someone who should be leading the Klingon Empire, as we later see, but it takes more than just brute strength and dedication to inflexible "honor". You have to be able to think ahead, anticipate difference scenarios that could happen, and take advantage of opportunities ahead of you.

When L'Rell "interrogates" Cornwell, they each find out the other is not what they expected. L'Rell didn't expect Cornwell to be so strong-willed and Cornwell didn't expect L'Rell to be open to alternatives. Of course, Cornwell doesn't specifically know that L'Rell is trying to get to Voq, but she probably thinks there's something more going on. At the very least, at least Cornwell sees cracks in the Klingon Alliance that she thinks she can tell Starfleet Command about if she's ever rescued.

So I like all the moving of chess pieces between L'Rell and Cornwell. But the Pahvans don't believe in playing chess. They want to bring the Federation and Klingons together to resolve their differences right then and there. And that's how I abruptly switch one half of the episode's story to the other.

I love the planet surface of Pavho. It looks like what something out of TOS or the first season of TNG would've looked like either of them had current day production values. The large, gigantic true and all the blue foliage across the entire landscape really sell it. Great cinematography.

This is also the first time we get to see Burnham thinking about how when this war is over, she'll have to go back to prison. There were times in earlier episodes where you'd almost forget it sometimes, but here she brings it up as a stark reminder.

It was nice to see Saru in a state of bliss. But also interesting that said state of bliss corrupted Saru. I wonder if the Pavhans were planning to put Federation and Klingon members into a similar corrupted state of bliss? Since there would've been zero chance the Klingons and Federation would've resolved the war on their own without killing each other. Otherwise, Phavho could've been wiped off the galactic map if Discovery didn't stop Kol in the next episode. Which brings us to...

"Into the Forest I Go"
This is the Big One. The mid-season finale. Where to begin? From the top.

Lorca stalling for time by going to warp back to Federation Space instead of using the Spore Drive is a master stroke. It gives him time to get the drive and Stamets ready before going back to fend off the Klingons and save Pavho. And in one fell swoop, it complicates things between Stamets and Culber because now Stamets has to receive a check up that will reveal everything that's been going on with him. Tilly's big mouth makes it even worse.

But they suck it up, get Stamets and the Spore Drive ready enough that he can do 133 jumps to fight the Klingons and they're ready to go. Lorca tries to sell Stamets just like he tried to sell Burnham in "Context Is for Kings" in order to get what he wants out of him. Stamets thinks Lorca actually is someone interested in exploration and (yes, I'm going to say it) discovery, since he's been mapping all the jumps Stamets has made. Really, Lorca just wants to figure out how to get back to the Mirror Universe and more jumps allows him to get to know more about the Spore Drive and use the data to figure out how to travel between realities.

I'd forgotten here that it's explained why Stamets was going through such drastic changes in personality. The connection to the Spore Drive and the Mycellial Network was affecting his brain. Works for me. He was an asshole in "Context Is for Kings" and now he's not.

Then Discovery goes back to Pavho and fights Kol's ship, the Ship of the Dead. This is one of Star Trek's best space battles, at least on TV, and it carries an emotional punch as Stamets makes jump after jump and is pushed to the absolute limit.

On the Ship of the Dead, the battle between Kol and Burnham was exciting to watch. Right before it, when Kol was picking his teeth with Georgiou's insignia, just to rub it in Burnham's face. You can really feel him doing it just to rub salt into the wound. He even says to "Lock her up." He had a very punchable face. I wanted to start kicking the shit out of him too. But Burnham did it for me. The fight is inconclusive but still satisfying enough to watch, then she's beamed out of there and the ship is destroyed. Bye Kol. You won't be missed.

Backtracking a little bit, we get to see Tyler come face-to-face with L'Rell. Cornwell has a chance to her previous experience as a counselor to use, to help guide Tyler through his PTSD to make him useful in the moment again. What Tyler went through looks really painful and traumatic. L'Rell was determined to get off the Ship of the Dead no matter what, so she could get back to Tyler and whatever her original plan was back in "The Butcher's Knife". So she makes sure to get back to within the transporter field when Tyler and Cornwell are beamed back to Discovery.

So the Ship of the Dead is destroyed, they've done the 133 jumps, everyone went to the Ship of the Dead came back alive, Burnham rescued Georgiou's insignia from Kol, and Lorca was awarded a medal that he insisted on giving to Stamets. Everything looks good, until Stamets says he only wants to do one more jump. All those jumps took a lot out of him.

Before Stamets does the last jump, we get to see just how deeply in love Stamets and Culber are. When they finally have Stamets and Culber kiss on-screen, that's when I knew that Discovery having a gay relationship wasn't just lip service (no pun intended). They really meant it. But then, of course, that's when you just know something's going to happen...

... then Lorca, being the secretly evil bastard he is, knows it's now or never. So he uses all the data he collected on the Spore Drive to make sure they ended up in the Mirror Universe with the next Spore Jump. My favorite part about the end of the episode is they really use the exterior camera work to show Discovery as if it had just jumped into a place they'd never been before. Some place strange. Some place for them to discover. To be continued.

That's how you leave an audience on a mid-season break. And, as much as I like the Klingons, I was glad to know it wasn't just going to be the Klingon War. Discovery was going to do other things too.
 
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I just rewatched "What's Past Is Prologue". What was done to Lorca's character is still a travesty.
 
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