Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread
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Also, let's not forget that the Emperor Georgiou character is just a cardboard Snively Whiplash villain with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, who other characters inexplicably fawn over, who learned absolutely nothing in this movie about herself or why she is such a bad person, and instead the story tries to make her out to be the hero when she is nothing of the sort. I don't think Michelle Yeoh actually understands any of that because she's so caught up in her character's theatrics, and the writers and director (and Alex Kurtzman) definitely didn't understand that.
Bad editing also played a massive role in the production’s failure. It was clearly intended to be a series, and the end product was a hackneyed effort to scrunch it down into feature film length once the former intent was scrubbed. It probably contained raw footage from 2 or 3 different planned episodes. The whole thing really was an epic failure from start to finish. Such a waste of potential.
I agree that it seems like none of them really understand that a character like Emperor Georgiou isn’t really appealing as a main protagonist / heroine. I do think that it would have been possible to write something that might have made the character work, but this sure wasn’t it.
Depends on what you mean by “editing”. The decision that it would be a movie instead of a series was made before they started filming. So there certainly wasn’t any “editing down multiple episodes into one movie” going on. If you mean editing the script, then yes, it kinda felt like they had a vague outline for the first season and crammed all of the main plot points into the movie plot.
Ah. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that things were farther along and got changed mid-stream.
Is it flawed, imperfect? Sure! Fans were determined to dislike it months before, but It's not even close to the worst Trek ever.
Oh I definitely agree that a simple review of the relevant posts suggest bad faith, but it's obvious who that is.
I certainly don’t think it is, personally. Not a million lightyears away from it, but I certainly find thinks to like in it; more than with other Trek productions. So I don’t consider it the worst.
Good for you. I let both you and Dukhat each comment on what I said once, but beyond that I’m gonna have to insist that it’s not to be discussed any further here. Anyone reach out via PM if they need clarification.
I'm glad they didn't find some way to wrap gold around this turd in the form of an appealing trailer. I went in with trepidation watching it, and I wasn't wrong. I can't imagine I'm ever going to turn it back on and finish it.The trailers looked like shit.
A ringing endorsement!
A ringing endorsement!
I mean, I could also say that TATV wasn't the worst Trek ever, but nobody would believe me.
TATV isn't actually that bad an episode. As a series finale, it's pure shit, but as a standalone episode viewed on its own merits as an episode and not as a finale, it's really not that bad. Granted, it's not that good either, but there are plenty of episodes out there that are much, much worse.
^^^ That statement should probably be moved to the "Controversial Star Trek Opinions" thread. 
If the episode aired at almost any earlier point in the season, it wouldn't have left near the same bad taste in everyone's mouths.
Agreed. On its own it may not have been the greatest episode, and the logic behind Trip's sacrifice would still be ridiculous, but it would just be another episode of Star Trek that didn't quite hit the mark to be added to the pile. However, as a series finale, it was an egregiously bad storytelling choice to do what they did.
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