Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[Dac]

After getting some INTENSE negative fan reactions, CBS might order the effects company to try to match the first season effects quality?

This reminds me of the audio screw up on the first season all over again. It had to happen so they could be more careful on quality control.

EDIT: Unless you mean about HTV's work on upcoming seasons of course, I assumed you were talking about Season 2. If so, my bad.

Nope. Audio mixing and a single phaser shot, while not a small amount of work was certainly doable in a short time frame. This would involve a major rework of (presumably) most of the episodes in the season. That's me talking out of my ass there, but I doubt the shots they haven't shown are stonking needles-in-the-eyes sharp amazeballs quality.

Going back to what I said in my other post, the coloring on the Repulse is just weird. I did this in a minute in photoshop, shouldn't have taken them any longer to change it at the editing stage.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160267

The Repulse is mostly green tinted in the original. And it's being lit by the same cool white/blue light source the Enterprise is. Whut?

 

[Dream]

After getting some INTENSE negative fan reactions, CBS might order the effects company to try to match the first season effects quality?

This reminds me of the audio screw up on the first season all over again. It had to happen so they could be more careful on quality control.

Nope. Audio mixing and a single phaser shot, while not a small amount of work was certainly doable in a short time frame. This would involve a major rework of (presumably) most of the episodes in the season. That's me talking out of my ass there, but I doubt the shots they haven't shown are stonking needles-in-the-eyes sharp amazeballs quality.

I know it is already too late for season 2 to change the visual effects. I was talking more about seasons 4 and 6. CBS might order the visual effects company to be more consistent with the company that did the first season.

I've always thought that studios needed to screw up before they can do better with a product. It happened with season one audio mistake, which should have never happened in the first place. I bet they are much more careful about checking that stuff after the huge fan outcry.

 

[davejames]

Going back to what I said in my other post, the coloring on the Repulse is just weird. I did this in a minute in photoshop, shouldn't have taken them any longer to change it at the editing stage.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160267

The Repulse is mostly green tinted in the original. And it's being lit by the same cool white/blue light source the Enterprise is. Whut?

Looks to me like it's just a slightly different shade of gray (perhaps because Curry thought it would give the shot a bit more variety, or because the Repulse is an older style ship).

I don't see it written anywhere that Starfleet ships all have to be the exact same color. In fact the Refit had a different tint to it in every freakin movie (sometimes greener, sometimes bluer, sometimes flat-out gray)! I don't understand why this is suddenly an issue now.

 

[Dac]

Because in the original they are essentially the same colour.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x01/child003.jpg

Plus, the Excelsior is mostly similar colour wise to the D. At the very least, its certainly a shade of blue as opposed to yellowy green.

 

[trekker670]

Reviews starting to show up:

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/11/26/star-trek-the-next-generation-season-two-review/

There has been some heated online discussion over the restoration of season two’s effects, though. It has been outsourced to an external company this time around, and screengrabs have shown a discernible (if not exactly catastrophic) difference from CBS Digital’s work on season one – in particular, some of the planets look noticeably less sharp. It’s not exactly worth organising a march about, though, and what we have here is still a massive improvement on the DVDs.

If CBS-D isn't aware of the quality issues, at least the reviewers are aware of the problems this time around

“Making It So: Continuing Star Trek: The Next Generation” is the big season two Making Of doc; rather arbitrarily split into two sections, it runs for a total of 81 minutes. The list of interviewees is extremely impressive...

This sounds great!

 

[Tosk]

There has been some heated online discussion over the restoration of season two’s effects, though. It has been outsourced to an external company this time around, and screengrabs have shown a discernible (if not exactly catastrophic) difference from CBS Digital’s work on season one – in particular, some of the planets look noticeably less sharp. It’s not exactly worth organising a march about, though, and what we have here is still a massive improvement on the DVDs.

If CBS-D isn't aware of the quality issues, at least the reviewers are aware of the problems this time around

Or to be more precise, one reviewer mentioned it because he had already heard about the issue online.

 

[bullethead]

TrekCore's review is pretty good, highlighting some of the deficiencies in the VFX remastering and pointing out where it's really good.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

TrekCore's review is pretty good, highlighting some of the deficiencies in the VFX remastering and pointing out where it's really good.

FYI, the link in your sig is dead. I really wanted to read that too.

 

[bullethead]

TrekCore's review is pretty good, highlighting some of the deficiencies in the VFX remastering and pointing out where it's really good.

FYI, the link in your sig is dead. I really wanted to read that too.

Fixed it (at least until Slate changes their URL scheme... again).

 

[Mott the barber]

I tweeted to him about the ruckus on Trekcore and that there were some very unhappy fans. Coincidentally, the comments were shut down around the same time he tweeted his response. Personally, I wish he had said nothing at all as he is basically spinning it and saying we're day dreaming. Yup, if I wasn't buying S2 before I'm definitely not buying it now. If that is what he calls excellent, then I have no hope for the rest of the HTV produced seasons. What a complete cuss up.

New Horizon, if you can't tell these are two completely different shots, with noticeably different camera alignment to the model and lighting... and shot on two completely different film formats (8-perf VistaVision vs. 4-perf Standard 35mm) by two completely different VFX teams... then I seriously question your ability to objectively weigh-in on ANYTHING that comes out of this restoration effort.

You are seriously out of your depth.

Haven't been on the board in a few days but you beat me to it Max. The opening shot from EAF (first shot) is a totally different shot where the ship comes from the top of the screen and swoops in over the saucer. The second shot is just a slightly-over-the-saucer establishing shot that zooms over the top of the saucer towards the camera. It was certainly not a cut from the later portion of the EAF shot. In other words...two different shots from two different effects houses, originally.

 

[MickJo1701]

Excellent review! The live action footage looks infinitely superior to what we had originally and I cant wait to watch those bonus features. I like how the section on the VFX was approached too, emphasising on the positives from the first season and the differences between the 2.

I'm completely convinced that the shot of the Enterprise launching a probe from Where Silence has Lease is a CGI replacement so it can be forgiven for not matching the model shots.

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Spoiler: Season One

Spoiler: Season Two

 

[Dac]

Well I'm glad TrekCore's review points out the obvious flaws inherent in some of the shots. Makes me feel a bit less crazy for agreeing with those who pointed it out initially.

Also, the probe shot from Where Silence has Lease is unmistakably CG. If it took everyone here a good while to figure out the saucer seperation shot in EaF is CG, so how come that one looks so much more blatant?

 

[bullethead]

Well I'm glad TrekCore's review points out the obvious flaws inherent in some of the shots. Makes me feel a bit less crazy for agreeing with those who pointed it out initially.

Also, the probe shot from Where Silence has Lease is unmistakably CG. If it took everyone here a good while to figure out the saucer seperation shot in EaF is CG, so how come that one looks so much more blatant?

Because of the lack of grain and the finesse CBS-Digital put into their CGI shots.

 

[NewHorizon]

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Spoiler: Season One

Spoiler: Season Two

Wow, that is unreal. The Season 1 shot is amazing looking and somehow they butchered it in Season 2. What were they thinking?

 

[Timo47]

Because in the original they are essentially the same colour.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x01/child003.jpg

Plus, the Excelsior is mostly similar colour wise to the D. At the very least, its certainly a shade of blue as opposed to yellowy green.

It's not just a matter of colour, but also of missing shadows. It makes the Repulse look like it was pasted into the scene rather then being a part of it.

 

[TheSeeker]

Yes, a lot of the shots have that problem from what I can tell.

 

[StewMc]

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Spoiler: Season One

Spoiler: Season Two

Is it just me or has the planet been reused? Why not just reuse the whole shot? (never though I would be complaining about not reusing stock footage)

 

[RAMA]

The 2nd season work does seem to be below the level of CBS Digital's but the Bluray is worth it for the extras alone. Can't wait to see Contagion, Q Who, Measure of a Man, Peak Performance and a handful of others in HD. They went and made my least favorite season interesting again.

RAMA

 

[MickJo1701]

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Spoiler: Season One

Spoiler: Season Two

Is it just me or has the planet been reused? Why not just reuse the whole shot? (never though I would be complaining about not reusing stock footage)

The planet was originally Minos from The Arsenal of Freedom but its slightly blurrier than it appeared in that episode. Why they messed with the way the Enterprise was composited and replaced the original ILM starfield is anyone's guess.

 

[gaghyogi49]

Actually, it's Angel One:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/thearsenaloffreedom.htm