Season Eight...?

[TerokNor]

I would have liked it very much, if they would have streched plot a bit, so that we would have had 8 seasons.
Mostly I would have loved to see more about the Garak, Kira, Damar plot... the topic of Ziyals death and such things....and an episode, that show a bit more about the characters, when they get to know each other better. Damar said to Weyoun once, that there is a lot he dont know about him. So an episode where Kira and Garak find out that "more" about him (and I don´t mean now only his changing), but also where he gets to understand those two better would have been nice. I also would have liked seeing him at least one time with his wife and son or a holopicture of them together, before they got excuted. And when they captured the Breen Weapon and (I guess) brought it all together to DS9, seeing also Damar on DS9, maybe talking with Sisko/ Ross, seeing Worf and Ezri again and such. And after his death at least some mourning about him. And a better look on Cardassia itself during the war and after the war would have been great too.

TerokNor

 

[Thor Damar]

I like this idea, mostly because we would have got more Damar. It would have been interesting to explore the Cardassian Liberation Front in more detail and perhaps force both Kira, Damar and Garak to confront their pasts and come to terms with who they are.

Plus we could have got a Episode dealing with post DW Cardassia which means that Macet might have made a second appearance on the small screen. Oh a more stuff with the Klingons and whatever...

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

I would've had Ezri be a guest star during the opening arc to help Sisko and remind Sisko that Dax survived.

The new regular would be a Romulan female (they had the set up for that in the season opener). Since as it was, Romulans were vital to the war effort but represented by mostly one shot characters.

Also, I would've dumped the mirror universe episode entirely.

 

[Kathryn-janeway]

Overall i felt that season 7, was based on Erzi, i can understand that the producers would like to give a background story ect.. but most of the eps were based on her. I enjoyed her character very much, but if Terry didnt leave the show, would these eps still be written for jadzia?

 

[Damask]

The new regular would be a Romulan female (they had the set up for that in the season opener). Since as it was, Romulans were vital to the war effort but represented by mostly one shot characters.

Agree here. Would have loved a Romulan character on the show. Garak was nearly assimilated by the Federation at this stage so having real outside would have been nice.

Season 8 huh? Defintley should have been about Bajor joining the Federtion, the rebuilding of the Alpha Quadrant and maybe some good old Gamma Quadrant exploration episodes.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I like the idea of an expansion, just to give them time to have some more focus on Bajor even during the war stuff. The whole reason DS9 was established to help the Bajorans and then accept them into the Federation, and it was delayed by Sisko's visions because the war was coming and a Federation alligned Bajor during the Dominion Occupation would have been the end for Bajor. But with the Federation control of DS9 as stable as anything was during the war, with the wormhole closed to Dominion reinforcements (and that could have been the subject of a two-parter or more, with the Dominon attempting to get the wormhole open or create their own and get the reinforcements from the Gamma Quadrant they need), Bajor could have been offered a spot in the Federation once more.

AND it would tie into Kai Winn's arc of falling to the dark side, er, accepting the Pai-Wraths as her personal saviors, because she'd expect that, in the Federation, the Prophets are not regarded as Gods but as 'wormhole aliens' and believing that Bajor is looked down upon for their reliance on the Prophets themselves.

 

[Rush Limborg]

The new regular would be a Romulan female (they had the set up for that in the season opener). Since as it was, Romulans were vital to the war effort but represented by mostly one shot characters.

Agree here. Would have loved a Romulan character on the show. Garak was nearly assimilated by the Federation at this stage so having real outside would have been nice.

Big dfference, though: Garak was lovable.

While Cretak started likeable, when her plot was discovered, all likablility was lost.

To be honest, in "Inter Arna..." I think she got what was coming to her.

Nope. Keep Ezri. Just give the show more time, so the balance is restored, and the deniers can accept her. (Most of them, anyway....)

 

[Pemmer Harge]

I enjoyed her character very much, but if Terry didnt leave the show, would these eps still be written for jadzia?

Since, if I recall correctly, Jadzia didn't get a proper character episode (other than Worf'n'Jadzia hijinks) since Season 4, I'm going to say almost certainly not.

 

[flemm]

I enjoyed her character very much, but if Terry didnt leave the show, would these eps still be written for jadzia?

Since, if I recall correctly, Jadzia didn't get a proper character episode (other than Worf'n'Jadzia hijinks) since Season 4, I'm going to say almost certainly not.

This is something I was noticing the other day. I had always been aware of the fact that the writers don't do much with Jadzia in the middle seasons other than turn her into Mrs. Worf, but I had never realized how extreme it is.

Unless I'm missing something, the last big Dax episode is Rejoined, which is the fifth episode in season 4. Yikes. After that she's a Klingon groupie, basically.

Season 4: The Sword of Kahless
Season 5: Looking for par'Mach in all the Wrong Places, Let He Who is Without Sin...
Season 6: the wedding, Change of Heart

 

[DevilEyes]

I enjoyed her character very much, but if Terry didnt leave the show, would these eps still be written for jadzia?

Since, if I recall correctly, Jadzia didn't get a proper character episode (other than Worf'n'Jadzia hijinks) since Season 4, I'm going to say almost certainly not.

This is something I was noticing the other day. I had always been aware of the fact that the writers don't do much with Jadzia in the middle seasons other than turn her into Mrs. Worf, but I had never realized how extreme it is.

Unless I'm missing something, the last big Dax episode is Rejoined, which is the fifth episode in season 4. Yikes. After that she's a Klingon groupie, basically.

Season 4: The Sword of Kahless
Season 5: Looking for par'Mach in all the Wrong Places, Let He Who is Without Sin...
Season 6: The Wedding, Change of Heart

Jadzia is one of those characters that always worked better as a part of the crew, interacting with other main characters, inserting her comments on the situation, etc., than as a focus of a character episode (despite 2-3 interesting episodes in seasons 3-4, which mostly dealt with the previous hosts), so I didn't really miss Jadzia-centric episodes. WHen I think of Jadzia's personality and why I like her, I think of "To The Death" or "Trials and Tribble-ations" rather than of "Facets" or "Rejoined", even though I really like the latter episode. Quark is similar - he's had 3-4 good centric episodes (and "The House of Quark" is a classic which perfectly showcases him), but most of the time he worked much better when he was participating in main storylines and interacting with everyone else rather than when he was surrounded by other Ferengi. Which, I suppose, makes Quark and Jadzia great supporting characters, unlike Sisko, Kira or Odo, who have the characteristics of real leads. It all goes back to that difference between people with a real connection to the show's mythology and those who don't. O'Brien had the torture episodes, but even they could create problems when there was no follow-up, and Bashir was the only character who didn't have a particular place in the mythology who was eventually given a strong storyline connected to the main plot, thanks to Section 31.

 

[flemm]

Jadzia is one of those characters that always worked better as a part of the crew, interacting with other main characters, inserting her comments on the situation, etc., than as a focus of a character episode (despite 2-3 interesting episodes in seasons 3-4, which mostly dealt with the previous hosts), so I didn't really miss Jadzia-centric episodes.

I think that's a fair assessment. I find Jadzia to be an amiable character to have around, but for the most part I find the Dax-specific material to be squarely in the "mildy interesting" range. Facets is fun because the whole cast gets to take a turn as a past host, so off the top of my head I'd say that's my favorite Dax vehicle, but overall the Trill episodes never produced anything really fantastic, and they don't contribute to the ongoing story the way even mediocre Sisko, Odo and Kira stories often do.

That said, it's something that has to stand out to the actress much moreso than to the viewer. It has to suck to fade into the background like that.

Oddly enough, Jadzia seems to have suffered most among the regulars from Worf's arrival on the show, as far as being a lead character is concerned.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

My problem with the treatment Jadzia got was that the previous hosts of Dax all got more development than Jadzia herself did. The most we ever learn about her background is that she was originally rejected as an initiate and a throw away line about her sister. That's IT. We never learn what made her want to be joined, why she was interested in the sciences, why she joined Starfleet... nothing. We don't learn anything about the motivations of JADZIA. And she was suffering from this LONG before Worf came along. The writers spent so much time on Dax that they forget about Jadzia.

 

[flemm]

My problem with the treatment Jadzia got was that the previous hosts of Dax all got more development than Jadzia herself did. The most we ever learn about her background is that she was originally rejected as an initiate and a throw away line about her sister. That's IT. We never learn what made her want to be joined, why she was interested in the sciences, why she joined Starfleet... nothing. We don't learn anything about the motivations of JADZIA. And she was suffering from this LONG before Worf came along. The writers spent so much time on Dax that they forget about Jadzia.

An astute observation, by which I mean that I agree with you

To summarize my thoughts on the subject, upon which I have elaborated ad nauseum in other threads, the issue with Dax is that the writers had a better idea of who they wanted Curzon to be than who they wanted Jadzia to be, the end result being that Jadzia turns into Curzon and starts being defined by her Klingon lust more than anything.

The second result of which being that Terry Farrell leaves the show and the living embodiment of cuteness arrives the following season, to the chagrin of some and the everlasting satisfaction of many.

Then the writers devote three mediocre episodes to the personification of cuteness in a single season, leading the prior actress to ask herself, "WTF?" and then demand lots of money for the use of her image in the final montage of season 7, but I digress

 

[Rush Limborg]

Since, if I recall correctly, Jadzia didn't get a proper character episode (other than Worf'n'Jadzia hijinks) since Season 4, I'm going to say almost certainly not.

This is something I was noticing the other day. I had always been aware of the fact that the writers don't do much with Jadzia in the middle seasons other than turn her into Mrs. Worf, but I had never realized how extreme it is.

Unless I'm missing something, the last big Dax episode is Rejoined, which is the fifth episode in season 4. Yikes. After that she's a Klingon groupie, basically.

Season 4: The Sword of Kahless
Season 5: Looking for par'Mach in all the Wrong Places, Let He Who is Without Sin...
Season 6: The Wedding, Change of Heart

Jadzia is one of those characters that always worked better as a part of the crew, interacting with other main characters, inserting her comments on the situation, etc., than as a focus of a character episode (despite 2-3 interesting episodes in seasons 3-4, which mostly dealt with the previous hosts), so I didn't really miss Jadzia-centric episodes. WHen I think of Jadzia's personality and why I like her, I think of "To The Death" or "Trials and Tribble-ations" rather than of "Facets" or "Rejoined", even though I really like the latter episode. Quark is similar - he's had 3-4 good centric episodes (and "The House of Quark" is a classic which perfectly showcases him), but most of the time he worked much better when he was participating in main storylines and interacting with everyone else rather than when he was surrounded by other Ferengi. Which, I suppose, makes Quark and Jadzia great supporting characters, unlike Sisko, Kira or Odo, who have the characteristics of real leads. It all goes back to that difference between people with a real connection to the show's mythology and those who don't. O'Brien had the torture episodes, but even they could create problems when there was no follow-up, and Bashir was the only character who didn't have a particular place in the mythology who was eventually given a strong storyline connected to the main plot, thanks to Section 31.

^To be perfectly frank, I think that may in part be due to Jadzia's being something of a "character type".

By that, I'm referring to the two basic kinds of characters in fiction: "multidimensionals", and "types". Types, as their name implies, are something of a predictable lot, with "typical" characteristics. Multidimensionals are the complex, layer-filled characters who grow, develop, change, and suprise us, while still having an integrity making such change legit.

Jadzia, to be frank, was very much a type--in fact, two types, changing formats at some point in the show. At first, she was they typical "cool girl" who is austerely above the charms of mere men; later, she's the "typical" tomboy "party-girl" one-of-the-guys.

Easily described, her major characteristics contained in a single phrase or two.

Ezri...well, just try to hammer her down into one or two sentences. You end up not really satisfied, because of apparent contradictions. She's energetic and eccentric almost to the point of nervous and nerurotic--but she also has an innocent, childlike wonder and curiosity. She has an intense range of emotions, at times firey and passionate, but is also quite gentle and warm. She's reluctant in accepting the burden forced on her--but she accepts it with enthusiasm.

You get the idea. She's far more complex than Jadzia ever was.

...Terry Farrell leaves the show and the living embodiment of cuteness arrives the following season, to the chagrin of some and the everlasting satisfaction of many.

Agreed.

Then the writers devote three mediocre episodes to the personification of cuteness in a single season, leading the prior actress to ask herself, "WTF?" and then demand lots of money for the use of her image in the final montage of season 7, but I digress

Oh, I'd hardly call "Afterimage" mediocre. It's qute a strong character episode--the likes of which, as has been stated, was never written for Jadzia.

 

[flemm]

Oh, I'd hardly call "Afterimage" mediocre. It's qute a strong character episode--the likes of which, as has been stated, was never written for Jadzia.

Were we discussing those episodes in depth I would certainly provide a more nuanced opinion of each. Afterimage is probably my favorite of the bunch, maybe 3 out of 5 stars, so upper-medicore range for DS9.

I like the presence of a counselor on the station, and I actually think the show could have benefited from having one on board in the earlier seasons, probably moreso than TNG ever did, due to DS9 having more flawed characters that could have used some counseling

Jadzia played that role a bit at times, but never officially of course. Counseling sessions could have provided a way to follow up on stories like Hard Time for example: Miles in counseling as a B-story at some point just to track his recovery a bit. That sort of thing.