Season 4 Finale as it was intended to be...
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I am aware they are not used and you do not need to call me 'Baker'.
I was mearly mentioning how I got mine and how others who were not so lucky to find your deal may be able to expand their collection.
And watch Best Buy ads- they sometimes put them on sale for $29.99
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As a parent who has lost a child, I did not hear that conversation as Trip and T'Pol planning to have another child.
When Trip repeats Phlox's findings and says 'That's comforting', I heard relief that their beautiful daughter did not die because their DNA was incompatible, but because someone frakked - intentional or not - the cloning. Therefore, they need not feel guilty that their contributions to her existence caused her death, as do many parents who unknowingly pass on a defect that kills their child.
That's what I see T'Pol responding to - that combining Vulcan and Human DNA is perfectly possible and was not the cause of Elizabeth's death.
You search for those small forms of comfort when your child is gone, and that's what I see in this scene.
When Trip repeats Phlox's findings and says 'That's comforting', I heard relief that their beautiful daughter did not die because their DNA was incompatible, but because someone frakked - intentional or not - the cloning. Therefore, they need not feel guilty that their contributions to her existence caused her death, as do many parents who unknowingly pass on a defect that kills their child.
That's what I see T'Pol responding to - that combining Vulcan and Human DNA is perfectly possible and was not the cause of Elizabeth's death.
You search for those small forms of comfort when your child is gone, and that's what I see in this scene.
I believe this is a completely fresh take on this scene. Don't think I've seen it posted before. Congrats.
I think it's also quite plausible
Nimthim, sorry for your loss.
As these two episodes unfold, Trip and T'Pol wholeheartedly embrace being the parents of this infant girl, however she came to be. When we learn from Phlox that she will die because their DNA is incompatible, they each look like they took a body blow. I saw that response as each of them internalizing that information as guilt that the genetics they gave the child caused her death. I don't think any parent can outlive their child without some measure of guilt surfacing. And let's not forget that just over a year previously, Trip and T'Pol had to place the future of Earth before the continued existence of their son - just as Archer had to do regarding his great-granddaughter - and apparently did not forget they had existed when they changed the previous timeline. I just saw deeply grieving parents when we got to that final scene.
Thank you for your condolences - I've had almost 4 years to work through this - and I did have him for 25 years.
Thank you for your condolences - I've had almost 4 years to work through this - and I did have him for 25 years.
I definitely saw committed parents and deeply upset parents. I simply disagree about the success of the line Trip delivered and think it'd be better coming from someone else about them. It'd be better to watch them simply hold hands and console each other, which I thought was the most touching moment in that episode and possibly between them as a couple.
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I just wanted to give my reading on that scene as a person whoi was not a regular Enterprise viewer and has only vague notions as to the history of the characters, their relationships and no emotional investment in them beyond the episode itself.
I saw in that scene two people who... although they were very new parents they were bonded deeply with their baby and when she died they... were absolutely leveled by the loss of that bond... My reading on Trip was that he was desperate to regain the bond and brought the matter up with T'Pol because... Maybe another baby would make the pain of losing their firstborn go away.
My reading on T'Pol was that... She wasn't ready to have another baby until... She dealt with the grief of their loss first.
At no point did I feel that Trip was trying to use her as a sperm dumpster for his own sexual gratification, nor did I feel that T'Pol was being demeaned or offended in any way. I saw two people in absolute emotional ruin. I'm not ashamed to say I bawled like a baby when I saw that episode. I'm a father of two and... I hope to Christ I'm never in their shoes.
I saw in that scene two people who... although they were very new parents they were bonded deeply with their baby and when she died they... were absolutely leveled by the loss of that bond... My reading on Trip was that he was desperate to regain the bond and brought the matter up with T'Pol because... Maybe another baby would make the pain of losing their firstborn go away.
My reading on T'Pol was that... She wasn't ready to have another baby until... She dealt with the grief of their loss first.
At no point did I feel that Trip was trying to use her as a sperm dumpster for his own sexual gratification, nor did I feel that T'Pol was being demeaned or offended in any way. I saw two people in absolute emotional ruin. I'm not ashamed to say I bawled like a baby when I saw that episode. I'm a father of two and... I hope to Christ I'm never in their shoes.
^ Whoah. Let's be clear. I didn't think Trip was trying to be a sperm dumpster/dumper. I actually think you summed it up nicely:
Bingo. That's my issue.
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Oh. Sorry. Hope I didn't offend. 
Not at all.
Elizabeth wasn't their first born if you go along with E2. Lorain was their first child who lived and Eliizabeth the second one who lived but in E2 it was said that T-Pol had some miscarriages before Phlox perfected a way that allowed Lorain to be born a healthy baby.
If E2 is taken into consideration then we have a different ball of wax.
If Phlox took the notes of the Phlox from the future/Past enterprise he would know how to ensure that Trip/T-Pol could have a normal halthy baby if they wanted to.
Trips suggestion probably would be to try after Elizabeth was interred and they had come to grips with their grief.
Think it would be logical for them to turn to one another and become a couple since everything pointed to that especially E-2.
Of course TATV put paid to that didn't it.
If E2 is taken into consideration then we have a different ball of wax.
If Phlox took the notes of the Phlox from the future/Past enterprise he would know how to ensure that Trip/T-Pol could have a normal halthy baby if they wanted to.
Trips suggestion probably would be to try after Elizabeth was interred and they had come to grips with their grief.
Think it would be logical for them to turn to one another and become a couple since everything pointed to that especially E-2.
Of course TATV put paid to that didn't it.
It's a shame logic hasn't anything to do with love. I wish it had, because then I could use it as an argument to persuade the woman of my dreams to become my girlfriend.
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