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Season 2 Teaser

her what now?

Loose association. Was it not Tilly who said the F-word in a season one DSC/DIS/STD/etc episode? Aren't Tarantino's movies somewhat famous for using lots of F-words and other words? Or am I from a parallel universe where those things didn't happen? :D
 
I don't know where you live, but humans in my neck of the woods generally don't sneeze on each other. ;)
Then you've never worked with sick people before.
In over 40 years of Hospital work, I've been sneezed on, coughed on, puked on, chit on, spit on...
Many Human beings most certainly DO NOT cover/divert their bodily function projections!
:barf::scream::barf:
 
Or kids. Work with kids and they'll sneeze and cough in your face or pee or puke on your floor. They're like tiny drunk adults.

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Loose association. Was it not Tilly who said the F-word in a season one DSC/DIS/STD/etc episode? Aren't Tarantino's movies somewhat famous for using lots of F-words and other words? Or am I from a parallel universe where those things didn't happen? :D
It's a pretty huge leap from a single excited f bomb to a Tarantino swearing and violence fest :lol:
 
her what now?

Conversational Fuckity. Colourful Metaphors.
Humans of this era can’t pay attention to a character on television unless they use an obscenity at least once a season. Or more. It’s in all the classical works of the era. Kevin Smith. Tarantino. Hugh Grant.
Oh...and show tits. Same three people are tits.
 
Then you've never worked with sick people before.
In over 40 years of Hospital work, I've been sneezed on, coughed on, puked on, chit on, spit on...
Many Human beings most certainly DO NOT cover/divert their bodily function projections!
:barf::scream::barf:

Move to Québec, then. We're more polite, here.
 
It's a pretty huge leap from a single excited f bomb to a Tarantino swearing and violence fest :lol:

It's obvious that they'll bring Culbert back as Robocop and there'll be blood and guts in season 2 everywhere... that's why the anomalies are red, they're bleeding. ;)
 
I’m a huge Sisko fan and there’s plenty he did wrong. He should never have sent Dax and Worf on that dangerous mission together. Actually, he should have nipped worf’s “Klingon” behaviour in the bud like Picard did in “farpoint” when they’re separating and Worf is all “I’m a Klingon sir” and Picard is like “er that’s enough out of you”. Sisko encourages Worf to be more Klingon and he ends up trying to kill Kurn. Sisko trusts admiral Leyton and underestimates how devious he is. He risks polluting the timeline by meeting James Kirk. He (as Vreenak points out) basically starts the war with the dominion. He gambled the future of the alpha quadrant on the will of the prophets! He allows the thing with Eddington to get under his skin. That and the attack on the maquis base could all be things Sisko does wrong. I’m not sure why the maquis base thing is such a big deal. There were no neutral maquis colonies. Someone was either a maquis or they weren’t. The maquis colony Sisko attacked was an enemy planet. The only thing he did wrong was not get permission first - and starfleet obviously approved the plan.

It almost sounds like Sisko is human. :eek:

I rank DS9 as my least favorite Berman-era series, but I found Sisko to be a strong character and probably the most relatable captain of the four.
 
It almost sounds like Sisko is human. :eek:

I rank DS9 as my least favorite Berman-era series, but I found Sisko to be a strong character and probably the most relatable captain of the four.
Well, as human as a half prophet who exists outside of the normal flow of linear time can be...

Totally agree that he was relatable. I felt that way about a lot of the DS9 characters actually - they seemed more “real” than the TNG crew. Well, except Barclay. Barclay was awesome - he should have gone to DS9 instead of Voyager.
 
People seem to.

Sisko himself doesn’t, but that point eludes the same people.
I'm often amused by the fact that heroes in TV shows are considered right, no matter what, even if the hero themselves is doubtful of their being right. It's almost like they are supposed to be real people rather than just heroes. I know, I found it strange too.
 
I'm often amused by the fact that heroes in TV shows are considered right, no matter what, even if the hero themselves is doubtful of their being right. It's almost like they are supposed to be real people rather than just heroes. I know, I found it strange too.

I really didn't think I needed to say this, but I guess someone has to:

Heroes are shitty characters. Hell, they're not even characters. They're just archetypes. Plot devices. Good characterization and constructing a "hero" directly cut against one another.

I mean, look at the examples of actual good writing through history. Homer's epic poems are arguably tales of "heroism" but involve very flawed characters (Achilles is not presented in a good light, and even Odysseus often makes mistakes due to his hubris). Shakespeare's greatest works are typically considered to be his tragedies like Macbeth and Hamlet. The idea of a "flawed protagonist" is as old as literature.
 
I'm often amused by the fact that heroes in TV shows are considered right, no matter what, even if the hero themselves is doubtful of their being right. It's almost like they are supposed to be real people rather than just heroes. I know, I found it strange too.

It’s that last ‘I can live with it’.
Some people are very literal.
It’s astoundingly obvious from everything we know, everything Avery puts into it, that no, no he can’t. But he has to, so he will.
Which is a lot more ‘heroic’ than any other reading really. And makes Sisko a better character, who knows precisely what it’s like to live trapped in a point of their own guilt over something, and who is no doubt wondering if the ambassador had any family etc.
You have to literally ignore everything else about Sisko, never mind the federation or starfleet, to get the idea he now has no problem with what he’s just done. Sisko is explicitly not and ends justifies the means character, and it’s shown over and over again.
 
I really didn't think I needed to say this, but I guess someone has to:

Heroes are shitty characters. Hell, they're not even characters. They're just archetypes. Plot devices. Good characterization and constructing a "hero" directly cut against one another.

I mean, look at the examples of actual good writing through history. Homer's epic poems are arguably tales of "heroism" but involve very flawed characters (Achilles is not presented in a good light, and even Odysseus often makes mistakes due to his hubris). Shakespeare's greatest works are typically considered to be his tragedies like Macbeth and Hamlet. The idea of a "flawed protagonist" is as old as literature.

It carries into real life. Some people hate Downfall for humanising Hitler. But that way of thinking blinds them. There are no monsters, they don’t spring into bein, they come from humanity. Same is true of heroes. They aren’t just some wondrous click into existence.
If we forget that, we miss the next Hitler, and vainly wait for the next Churchill or whoever. Nuance is everyth8ngl
 
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