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Spoilers Season 2 predictions/discussion thread

Chapel has always been my least favourite love interest for Spock based on TOS but SNW has made it much worse because they played the same old card but gave it a new millennial twist, which just make it worse because millennial writing can stilll be bad.
I'm sure Goldsman (60), Kurtzman (48) and Lumet (55) are flattered at being called Millennials.
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Sci said:
carloss said:
Chapel and Spock do have a good relationship when Chapel is not trying too hard to be his girlfriend, which is what she did mostly for the later half of the series...

Maybe this is why her obsessions with Spock

Continuing to characterize Christine as "trying to be his girlfriend" and "obsessed" when in fact both parties have displayed the exact same levels of attraction and the exact same reluctance to act on those feelings, is really gross and borderline misogynistic.

Because that is what she is.

Having an attraction that she has refused to act on is absolutely not "having an obsession." Spock has been shown to have the same attraction and has refused to act on it for the same reason. Why do you see two characters behaving identically but only ascribe a negative interpretation of the same behavior to the female character?

You admit indirectly when you said more stories of her without Spock.

No. I said, and I quote: "Having said that, I want to see Christine get more stories that are not about her relationships with men or romantic relationships in general. Let's see more about her outside of her love life." That is absolutely not the same thing as claiming she has an obsession.

All she has done is tried to be is his girlfriend.

This is demonstrably false. She pre-emptively shoots him down at the end of "The Serene Squall" just in case he might be there to hit on her. She makes no effort whatsoever to persuade him to be with her the entire rest of the season -- and no, hugging him to comfort him in a moment of pain, suddenly realizing there's an attraction, and freezing, is not "trying to be his girlfriend."

Spock has shown more mutual attraction to Tpring

Spock has demonstrated clear attraction to both T'Pring and Christine.

Additionally both parties did not show the same level of reluctance

True. Christine has shown more reluctance since she pre-emptively told Spock not to hit on her.

since Chapel has manipulated many situations to get Spock to move past the friend stage.

Complete bullshit.

This is still Chapel from TOS but she is worse in SNW because of the more modern writing where she is quite devious

"Devious?"

Again, I cannot emphasize enough that Spock and Christine have behaved virtually identically towards one-another, yet you only ascribe sinister intentions to the woman.

The alternate reality episode has sort of given a lot away, we still Chapel pinning over him

More bullshit. Absolutely nothing about her appearance in "A Quality of Mercy"'s future alternate timeline indicates she was pining over him. She was upset that he had been horrifically mutilated in the battle. That is all.
 
Continuing to characterize Christine as "trying to be his girlfriend" and "obsessed" when in fact both parties have displayed the exact same levels of attraction and the exact same reluctance to act on those feelings, is really gross and borderline misogynistic.
There's a lot of that going around. And I saw the same things you have seen. It's a classic love triangle in all the best messiest ways.
 
Now that Season 1 has finished airing. What do you want to see in Season 2? We know Kirk will be sticking around as a recurring character throughout Season 2 but what other legacy characters do you think might pop up?

Hopefully few to none. What I want to see in season 2 is less futzing with legacy characters. We already have Pike, Spock, Una, Uhura, M'Benga, Chappell, T'Pring, Stonn, Sybok, Khan's great great great great great great great great great grand daughter, a Kyle, an April and now Kirk...actually, the Kirk brothers. That's plenty. Maybe a mention of Jim's brother's family, as he'd almost definitely be with his wife by now.

If Kirk's a recurring character I want Pike to be promoted to fleet captain, as that's literally the only thing we know about their meeting.

I voted for La'an and Ortegas in a shipping poll on this board a while back: it would be nice to win that.

First contact with the Sheliac would be cool to see. Also a Roger Corby mention.

The new chief engineer, if not Scotty, dies.

They can start cycling through them like season 1 TNG. Picard was just continuing a proud Enterprise tradition...

Una is Section 31's prisoner.

Please no. After Discovery season 2, if I never see Section 31 again it'll be too soon.

A more disciplined crew, who don't talk back to their Captain

When has any one "talked back" to Pike?

Pike’s style is not common in any work place this is why it is not realistic.

What's "realistic" for the "workplace" of a 23rd century starship?

Good, because it doesn't deserve it at this point.

Actually, season 4 was awesome.

Honestly, I'd rather season two spend a lot ore time on the SNW characters and less on TOS legacy people. And what happened to Yeoman Colt? That could be a cool story.

It could be, but more than likely it's just "she got transferred to another ship".

And nothing I have seen so far even puts a dent in canon, so well done SNW!

I'd say the inseminating spit of the Gorn potentially does. It'd be nice to get a line saying that's just young and/or female Gorn. If the Gorn captain could've just spit on Kirk and waited, he's a hopeless idiot.

I have no issue with making them scarier and tougher though: it just makes Kirk come off that much cooler for winning. I do wish they'd stop calling them pure evil though. I know it's generally La'an saying that and she's been traumatized, but from Ready Room interviews it seems like that's what the showrunner believes as well.

Chapel is not supposed to even know T-Pring In TOS

You may be thinking of Uhura.
 
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Having an attraction that she has refused to act on is absolutely not "having an obsession." Spock has been shown to have the same attraction and has refused to act on it for the same reason. Why do you see two characters behaving identically but only ascribe a negative interpretation of the same behavior to the female character?



No. I said, and I quote: "Having said that, I want to see Christine get more stories that are not about her relationships with men or romantic relationships in general. Let's see more about her outside of her love life." That is absolutely not the same thing as claiming she has an obsession.



This is demonstrably false. She pre-emptively shoots him down at the end of "The Serene Squall" just in case he might be there to hit on her. She makes no effort whatsoever to persuade him to be with her the entire rest of the season -- and no, hugging him to comfort him in a moment of pain, suddenly realizing there's an attraction, and freezing, is not "trying to be his girlfriend."



Spock has demonstrated clear attraction to both T'Pring and Christine.



True. Christine has shown more reluctance since she pre-emptively told Spock not to hit on her.



Complete bullshit.



"Devious?"

Again, I cannot emphasize enough that Spock and Christine have behaved virtually identically towards one-another, yet you only ascribe sinister intentions to the woman.



More bullshit. Absolutely nothing about her appearance in "A Quality of Mercy"'s future alternate timeline indicates she was pining over him. She was upset that he had been horrifically mutilated in the battle. That is all.
 
I'd love one, especially considering how important an historical figure within Starfleet he's supposed to be at this moment in time. But Alec Peters and his Axanar B.S. and legal battles with the IP owner have probably sunk those chances for now, and if Garth is mentioned or even shown it'll likely spark some social media tirade from Peters about how his film project isn't good enough but their Garth is.
 
In what way was Chapel "pining over Spock" in the alternate future? The only scene she was even in in that episode was near the end when Pike goes to sickbay and sees Spock has gotten a similar injury to what he should have gotten. True, Chapel was visibly upset when reporting Spock's statistics, but that need not mean there's anything romantic between the two. We already know from season 1 of SNW that Spock and Chapel have developed a close friendship. Add an extra seven years for that friendship to develop, and it becomes very understandable why Chapel would be so upset to see Spock essentially dead.

Wrong. Michael Burnham has been mentioned twice on SNW. Besides, Spock's mind meld with La'an, Spock also mentions to Pike how much he misses Michael in the premiere.
Thank you. Christine can't do anything right for some people. They complained that the TOS characterization was wimpy, dopey, sleepy and obsessed. Now we try to fix that and they are upset that she isn't JUST LIKE the TOS CHARACTER. This means one thing to me. They are upset that Chapel is there at all. It must be CAROL MARCUS or LEILA KALOMI
I hope they end the Spock/T’Pring/Chapel stuff early on. It’s easily my least favorite thing from S1.

I know they won’t but one can hope.
Jess Bush tells us Chapel goes in an entirely new direction season 2. Perhaps a certain Doctor Korby makes an appearance.
As an aside. Chapel is falling in love with Spock and he with her. It's what lonely young attractive people do. Chapel makes the error of treating Spock like a human brother with hugs and support. This makes him feel weak. Finally in Seren Squall at the end, she does what a lady should do when a man who is attached to another woman begins to make overtures to you (That is precisely what Spock is doing)

"Spock thought that as a Human, she might want to discuss her feelings. Chapel appears to be conflicted, but says that she likes Vulcans and knows where she stands with Spock, knowing he would not chase another woman while he had a girlfriend, so she knows for certain there were no feelings between them. Spock quietly replies he is glad to hear that, and that she also knew him well, both considering the other a good friend."
Notice the lack of swear words, name calling and other immature female behavior. She adroitly avoids the issue by complimenting Spock on his virtues of honesty and fidelity. He would NEVER consider cheating on T"Pring (She knows very well he would..) She fluffs him expertly and sends him away. Was this girl born in the American South?
 
I'd love one, especially considering how important an historical figure within Starfleet he's supposed to be at this moment in time. But Alec Peters and his Axanar B.S. and legal battles with the IP owner have probably sunk those chances for now, and if Garth is mentioned or even shown it'll likely spark some social media tirade from Peters about how his film project isn't good enough but their Garth is.
Yeah. This hornet's nest is best left untouched.
 
In what way was Chapel "pining over Spock" in the alternate future? The only scene she was even in in that episode was near the end when Pike goes to sickbay and sees Spock has gotten a similar injury to what he should have gotten. True, Chapel was visibly upset when reporting Spock's statistics, but that need not mean there's anything romantic between the two. We already know from season 1 of SNW that Spock and Chapel have developed a close friendship. Add an extra seven years for that friendship to develop, and it becomes very understandable why Chapel would be so upset to see Spock essentially dead.

Wrong. Michael Burnham has been mentioned twice on SNW. Besides, Spock's mind meld with La'an, Spock also mentions to Pike how much he misses Michael in the premiere.
Thank you. Christine can't do anything right for some people. They complained that the TOS characterization was wimpy, dopey, sleepy and obsessed. Now we try to fix that and they are upset that she isn't JUST LIKE the TOS CHARACTER. This means one thing to me. They are upset that Chapel is there at all. It must be CAROL MARCUS or LEILA KALOMI
 
Thank you. Christine can't do anything right for some people. They complained that the TOS characterization was wimpy, dopey, sleepy and obsessed. Now we try to fix that and they are upset that she isn't JUST LIKE the TOS CHARACTER. This means one thing to me. They are upset that Chapel is there at all.
This is the nail on the head from my view.

I don't think they want anyone to be infatuated with Spock, honestly.
 
It's a shame to me we can't see Garth because of real-world silliness. I always thought it would be interesting to see who he was before he went cookoo for cocopuffs.
It might have made him all the more of a tragic character if he had been depicted initially as a very cool and likeable captain that you still wouldn't want to square off against in battle.
 
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