Scotty's cut scene fro WoK

[erastus25]

I've been reviewing deleted scenes from ST:II and I came across mention of these:

- A brief scene extension spotlighting Ricardo Montalban (Khan) is found in the preview assembly. Once the Enterprise returns fire on the Reliant, Khan moves across the bridge and orders, "After him! After him!" (He then moves toward Joachim and orders, "Fire!") This brief scene extension was trimmed from all cuts of the film.

- Another brief scene extension occurs during the Reliant's attack on the Enterprise. During the sequence in the engine room, Scotty (James Doohan) can be seen standing at his post and ordering everyone to remain at their posts, even during the attack. This brief extension was also trimmed from all cuts of the film.

Source: http://www.trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=40c358e9f0673

Is there any actual surviving footage of these? I'm assuming there is as the infamous "Saavik is half romulan" lines survived despite being absent from the ABC and director's cut.

Sorry if this has been covered before. I couldn't find it in the FAQ or via search so I'm assuming it hasn't.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I'm assuming there is as the infamous "Saavik is half romulan" lines survived despite being absent from the ABC and director's cut.

The "Saavik as a half-Romulan" scene survives because it was part of a long presentation trailer prepared by Paramount (and introduced by William Shatner) especially for screening at a convention called ShoWest, to promote the coming of ST II.

 

[Galileo7]

These cut scenes should be included on dvd release extras.

 

[Maurice]

^^^Technically, cutting a bit of action or a few lines from a scene is a TRIM, not a deleted scene.

 

[Mr Silver]

It makes you wonder how many scenes were really filmed for TWOK, the most well known "Deleted Scenes" (that I can recall) include

*Preston challenging Kirk about his reaction to some dust in the Engine Room, Scotty mentioning he is his Nephew, Kirk being impressed with Preston's reaction (Restored for Directors Cut)
*Terrell falling over a Sand Dune, Chekov seeing the face of a Child (Not Sure)
*Spock revealing Saavik is "Half-Romulan" (Left Out)
*Extended argument between the Regula 1 Scientists, ending in Carol Marcus telling them to get their things (Restored for Directors Cut)
*Extended argument between Spock, McCoy and Kirk in Kirk's Quarters (Restored for Directors Cut)
*Extended Sickbay scene where Scotty asks Kirk why Khan is after him, Conversation with McCoy that adds a bit more to Drama, definietly should have been left in (Restored for Directors Cut)
*Extended Spock/Kirk/Saavik rushing to the Bridge, through a Jeffreys Tube, where Kirk tells Spock "See that Young Man he's my Son" and Spock replies "Fascinating" (Restored for Directors Cut)
*Extended "Sauce For The Goose, Mr Saavik" dialogue between Spock and Saavik prior to entering the Mutara Nebula (Restored for Directors Cut)

And the of course, theres the infamous scenes with "Khan's Baby" that were never filmed, due to the Child being reluctant to Act, certainly these scenes if included in the Movie would have given it an overall creepy and darker conclusion (The Child was supposed to be shown crawling towards the Genesis Device, fascinated by its flashing lights, just before it Detonated)

 

[Iamnotspock]

And the of course, theres the infamous scenes with "Khan's Baby" that were never filmed, due to the Child being reluctant to Act, certainly these scenes if included in the Movie would have given it an overall creepy and darker conclusion (The Child was supposed to be shown crawling towards the Genesis Device, fascinated by its flashing lights, just before it Detonated)

This child? Looks like it was filmed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7824694@N04/819977219/

 

[Grant]

^^Oh yeah 'Khan's kid' WAS filmed. for TWOK. It was the kid fron Trek 4 that froze up and couldn't get his lines out.

 

[Therin of Andor]

*Terrell falling over a Sand Dune, Chekov seeing the face of a Child (Not Sure)

Well, I'm sure, because I interviewed Paul Winfield about that, about six months before the movie was released, and the filming of that impromptu scene, with a white stuntman put into blackface, caused a kerfuffle at the stuntmen's guild. An African American stuntman should have been requested in advance. You'll never see the footage because it broke union regulations. Paul was amazed how fans in Australia knew the story, but it had been reported in our club newsletter months earlier and he confirmed the rumor was true.

And the of course, theres the infamous scenes with "Khan's Baby" that were never filmed, due to the Child being reluctant to Ac

No, aren't you thinking of the boy who played Sulu's relative in ST IV? I don't believe we've ever heard that the ST II child was "reluctant to act".

"Khan's son" was supposedly the face that appears in a porthole, causing Chekov to take fright (and Terrell to fall down the dune). Continuing a trait from "Space Seed", in which Marla was a talented portrait painter of historical figures, a painting was made for set dressing, Marla's self portrait with Khan and a young child, but the painting wasn't seen onscreen.

The Child was supposed to be shown crawling towards the Genesis Device, fascinated by its flashing lights, just before it Detonated)

There is a photo of this.

You missed the scene that was written by Harve Bennett to tempt George Takei into signing aboard (he held out till just days before principal photography, IIRC): Kirk telling Sulu he'd just been promoted to captain of the USS Excelsior. According to George, time was of the essence and Shatner deliberately fumbled his words, ruining every take, because he didn't really want to do the scene.

There are numerous still shots of Saavik and David in posed embraces (in the licensed playing cards set) that are way too intimate for a Vulcan, but this could have been the set photographer having some fun.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, whatever the reason, I for one am glad the scenes with the child were cut. Those scenes would have been extremely disturbing, especially for the early 80's.

 

[ClayinCA]

There are numerous still shots of Saavik and David in posed embraces (in the licensed playing cards set) that are way too intimate for a Vulcan, but this could have been the set photographer having some fun.

Kirstie Alley and Merritt Butrick both gave contemporaneous interviews about the David/Saavik relationship that was shot but cut from the film, and the Vonda N. McIntyre novelization includes this plot thread, so I'd imagine there was something there at one point. Exactly how much of it was filmed seems unclear.

 

[Starbreaker]

Scotty had a fro?

 

[Itisnotlogical]

Well, whatever the reason, I for one am glad the scenes with the child were cut. Those scenes would have been extremely disturbing, especially for the early 80's.

Often times I feel Trek is "brightened up" so that it's more palatable to faint-hearted viewers, like B4 essentially becoming a reincarnation of Data (thus ruining the drama of his death), almost every episode of every Trek series created ending on a silly joke or clever one-liner, and the mentioned scene being cut out. I'd much rather it be darker.

 

[starfox]

Well, whatever the reason, I for one am glad the scenes with the child were cut. Those scenes would have been extremely disturbing, especially for the early 80's.

I wish those scenes could be viewed. I don't think the disturbing nature of the scenes would've put things over the top.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I wish those scenes could be viewed. I don't think the disturbing nature of the scenes would've put things over the top.

They would have probably changed the film's classification, because the suggestion would be that a young child, one we have been introduced to, was killed in the action.

Like Billy Van Zandt's final scene in "Jaws 2". He got to film two versions: getting washed up on the rocks and being eaten by Bruce the shark. Depending on the rating the film was going to get, he would die or be saved. He was the crucial death as to whether the film was pushed into the next category. Since the movie was made as a teen date film, it was important that teens actually be allowed to go to see it.

Kirstie Alley and Merritt Butrick both gave contemporaneous interviews about the David/Saavik relationship that was shot but cut from the film, and the Vonda N. McIntyre novelization includes this plot thread, so I'd imagine there was something there at one point. Exactly how much of it was filmed seems unclear.

Oh I know. In scenes in the ShoWest presentation trailer, Saavik wears her hair down in the Genesis Cave scenes and swaps smirks with David we on't see in the final film. Certainly no such scenes were scripted; they were simply experiments during different takes. The ABC-TV version has the alternate elevator scene, with Saavik swapping similar intense glaces with Kirk, building a sexual tension that Meyer could either continue or ignore, depending on what was working best. But the playing card pics I mention have Merritt Butrick embracing Kirstie from behind, seemingly playing up for the still camera.

 

[Jeyl]

- A brief scene extension spotlighting Ricardo Montalban (Khan) is found in the preview assembly. Once the Enterprise returns fire on the Reliant, Khan moves across the bridge and orders, "After him! After him!" (He then moves toward Joachim and orders, "Fire!") This brief scene extension was trimmed from all cuts of the film.

- Another brief scene extension occurs during the Reliant's attack on the Enterprise. During the sequence in the engine room, Scotty (James Doohan) can be seen standing at his post and ordering everyone to remain at their posts, even during the attack. This brief extension was also trimmed from all cuts of the film.

Is there any actual surviving footage of these?

As a matter of fact, there is. The Scotty one comes in at 2:12, and Khan at 2:44.

 

[erastus25]

- A brief scene extension spotlighting Ricardo Montalban (Khan) is found in the preview assembly. Once the Enterprise returns fire on the Reliant, Khan moves across the bridge and orders, "After him! After him!" (He then moves toward Joachim and orders, "Fire!") This brief scene extension was trimmed from all cuts of the film.

- Another brief scene extension occurs during the Reliant's attack on the Enterprise. During the sequence in the engine room, Scotty (James Doohan) can be seen standing at his post and ordering everyone to remain at their posts, even during the attack. This brief extension was also trimmed from all cuts of the film.

Is there any actual surviving footage of these?

As a matter of fact, there is. The Scotty one comes in at 2:12, and Khan at 2:44.

Wow. Pretty hilarious that this trailer has tons of deleted/clipped scenes. It also pretty much ruins the whole movie except Spock's death.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I wish they would restore all those scenes for a future extended cut!

 

[erastus25]

I wish they would restore all those scenes for a future extended cut!

Eh...I think the DVD director's cut is fine. It restores all the relevant deleted stuff and we don't really need the trims I asked about. I just wanted to see them b/c I'm a completest at heart.

The only possible exception would be the "Saavik is half romulan" line, but didn't Nicholas Meyer decide to take it out b/c he directed Saavik as being more stoic than originally intended and thus less Romulan-like? If so, I agree with the deletion of that as well.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, whatever the reason, I for one am glad the scenes with the child were cut. Those scenes would have been extremely disturbing, especially for the early 80's.

Often times I feel Trek is "brightened up" so that it's more palatable to faint-hearted viewers, like B4 essentially becoming a reincarnation of Data (thus ruining the drama of his death), almost every episode of every Trek series created ending on a silly joke or clever one-liner, and the mentioned scene being cut out. I'd much rather it be darker.

Are you forgetting the episode where Remmick got his head blown off? Or Picard being turned into a Borg? Or Odo's reminiscence about the three Bajorans who were executed while he was the security chief under the Cardassian occupation? Or Kira's Vedek friend hanging herself just to prove a point about how evil Dominion occupation was?

Star Trek doesn't always end on a bright note. However, I don't think there was ever a point where we saw a two-year old child explode either. That right there would be far more disturbing than anything on that list I worte above.

 

[Nero's Shadow]

I was quite surprised of these little new snippets from TWOK great film I've always liked DE addition love the cut scene when McCoy and kirk have a one to one with each other after scotty,s nephew passes away. Never seen the scene with savik been half romulan and the khan baby now that's freeky !!!