Scotty in [Spoilers]... WTF?

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

I've been either excited or pretty okay with every detail I've seen so far.

But this is fucking ridiculous:

Scotty has been exiled after his attempts to experiment with transporter technology resulted in the loss of Admiral Archer's dog.

So wrong. On so many levels.

Sounds like fan fiction at its worst.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

Am I missing something? Where was it specifically stated that his transporter experiment was the cause of his exile?

Check this out:


http://www.empireonline.com/empireblog/Post.asp?id=313

It may be written as exile there, but it still sounds like a reassignment to a crap station for the offense displeasing or inconveniencing a high officer. They used to refer to in terms of "being sent to Siberia" or "deployed to the Russian Front" (if you remember your Hogan's Heroes.)

Also, Procutus, I've altered your thread title so as to avoid the possibility of a spoiler showing up on the Main Index page for all to see. Everyone should remember to be careful about that.

 

[Devon]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

It may be written as exile there, but it still sounds like a reassignment to a crap station for the offense displeasing or inconveniencing a high officer.

I'm reading the IGN report now and that's more in line with what it's sounding like. In fact it makes it sound like Scotty is still doing an engineering job or something where he's at.

 

[Procutus]

^

My apologies, M'Sharak. It hit me after I posted it that I probably should've been more careful, but since it had appeared in TrekToday, I thought it was fair game.

Thanks for interceding on my behalf.

 

[M'Sharak]

No problem.

 

[Procutus]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

It may be written as exile there, but it still sounds like a reassignment to a crap station for the offense displeasing or inconveniencing a high officer.

I'm reading the IGN report now and that's more in line with what it's sounding like. In fact it makes it sound like Scotty is still doing an engineering job or something where he's at.

Okay, I could go along with that, but that doesn't explain how that gives Spock the right to maroon Kirk there as well, other than the fact that Kirk apparently pisses him off for some reason.

 

[Franklin]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

It may be written as exile there, but it still sounds like a reassignment to a crap station for the offense displeasing or inconveniencing a high officer.

I'm reading the IGN report now and that's more in line with what it's sounding like. In fact it makes it sound like Scotty is still doing an engineering job or something where he's at.

Okay, I could go along with that, but that doesn't explain how that gives Spock the right to maroon Kirk there as well, other than the fact that Kirk apparently pisses him off for some reason.

Yeah. It's kinda cliche, but rather military. Piss of the brass, and you get shit duty.

As far as Spock's treatment of Kirk goes, old Spock's hand may be in it somewhere. Otherwise, the fact that Spock gets pissed off, kicks Kirk off the Enterprise and he ends up on what must be a hell-hole planet, which HAPPENS to be where both Montgomery Scott AND old Spock are, is the type of plot device coincidence a fifth grader may use in a story.

The thing that I didn't understand about this scene, is by the Empire account, old Spock seemed surprised to see Scotty. Reportedly he says, "Fascinating. You're Montgomery Scott." He wouldn't say that if he knew he was there. Or if he was looking for him. Would he?

Of course, who knows what all this really means and how much will make perfect sense in context?

 

[Kelso]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

Khan was banished to a desolate planet.
Kirk's court martial was because Jamie's daddy was kept from promotion because of a "small mistake" and he got revenge on Kirk.
Spock faked a romance with a Romulan to steal a cloaking device.
Scotty was banished to an ice planet for a transporter accident with a pooch.

I dunno, it all kinda fits in with known Trek.

Ceti Alpha V wasn't desolate.

Ben Finney's mistake could have cost lives if Kirk hadn't caught it... and he wasn't banished anywhere.

I'm not sure what the situation from Th Enterprise Incident has to do with anything.

 

[JPolitte]

This is my first post to this forum, although I am a life-long Trek fan, especially TOS.

I was truly excited about this upcoming movie, even with different actors portraying my favorite characters. Quinto, I think, will make a wonderful Spock. However, the more details I see and read about this upcoming "Trek," the more astounded I am. I know this thread's about the Scotty spoiler, but bear with me.

The new Enterprise is . . . well . . . let's face it, it's crap. While I would've preferred a slightly updated design of the original Enterprise, I knew we weren't going to get that, and that's OK. I figured it would be a Gabe Koerner design, and while I think his designs are a bit overdone, at least they rely heavily on the original Enterprise design. This abomination they call the "Enterprise" is just sad. They took a movie saucer to try and connect with the original fans and placed it upon something that I can't really even say is recognizeable. If they're going to redesign the Enterprise, just do it all out. Don't try and appease me and all the other original fans with a saucer that doesn't work with the rest of the ship. The whole thing just looks wrong.

Now, on to this spoiler about Spock exiling Kirk on some frozen planet with Scotty being there in exile for some time before. First of all, it's just insane to think that Starfleet would exile any of their officers on some frozen planet because they screwed up. What . . . ??? Second, you're telling me that anyone in Starfleet is going to allow an engineer as talented as Scotty to just be exiled. I'm sorry, but none of this sounds particularly believable and believability is one of things I've always cherished about Trek.

Perhaps one of the things in this movie I really can't get behind is this transforming of Kirk from a hard-nosed student in the academy to some drunken bar-room brawler. What the hell is going on here? Many months ago, J.J. Abrams said he was going to respect canon, and while I didn't expect him to abide by canon in every single instance, I sure never expected he would go and change much of the background already established about the main characters of TOS.

The more I find out about this movie, the more I feel like Abrams has no respect for established Trek history and will trample on it in order to make Trek what he wishes it to be. I'm quite surprised Leonard Nimoy decided to participate in it, and if everything we've read and seen about this movie is true, I can only hope that it will be ignored in canon.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Okay, I could go along with that, but that doesn't explain how that gives Spock the right to maroon Kirk there as well, other than the fact that Kirk apparently pisses him off for some reason.

From what it appears Kirk was more or less a stowaway on his ship, he would have every right to kick his butt off wherever he cared to. Could put him the brig but then Spock might have reasoned he'd still be able to make trouble. And do keep in mind we're not dealing the an even keeled Spock I don't think at this point in time.

Sharr

 

[Augustus]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

I am in agreement with the more reasonable voices here. Scotty accidently killed a dog that belongs to an ancestor of Archer's and then he is reassigned to some horrible post in the middle of nowhere..

 

[StarTrek1701]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

I am in agreement with the more reasonable voices here. Scotty accidently killed a dog that belongs to an ancestor of Archer's and then he is reassigned to some horrible post in the middle of nowhere..

Did you mean descendant? It could be that in this new timeline Archer lived long enough with futuristic medicines to prolong his life. Porthos could be cloned indefinitely also.

 

[Devon]

Now, on to this spoiler about Spock exiling Kirk on some frozen planet with Scotty being there in exile for some time before. First of all, it's just insane to think that Starfleet would exile any of their officers on some frozen planet because they screwed up. What . . . ???

Read through a few posts above yours with what I and M'Sharak had suggested. Of course, was the Excelsior actually a bucket of bolts? No. Scotty just has a dry/blunt way of putting things I think

Second, you're telling me that anyone in Starfleet is going to allow an engineer as talented as Scotty to just be exiled.

Again, read what we had said. It might make you feel a little more comfortable.

Perhaps one of the things in this movie I really can't get behind is this transforming of Kirk from a hard-nosed student in the academy to some drunken bar-room brawler.

............................and?

What the hell is going on here? Many months ago, J.J. Abrams said he was going to respect canon, and while I didn't expect him to abide by canon in every single instance, I sure never expected he would go and change much of the background already established

Established should be *assumed.*

The more I find out about this movie, the more I feel like Abrams has no respect for established Trek history and will trample on it in order to make Trek what he wishes it to be.

Show us all of the canon he is "trampling over" and we'll talk.

I'm quite surprised Leonard Nimoy decided to participate in it,

I think that's because Nimoy probably isn't so anal about things to the point of non-enjoyment. That's silly. If it creates a good story, will it kill you? Nope.

Welcome to the forums.

 

[Qonos]

This is my first post to this forum, although I am a life-long Trek fan, especially TOS.

I was truly excited about this upcoming movie, even with different actors portraying my favorite characters. Quinto, I think, will make a wonderful Spock. However, the more details I see and read about this upcoming "Trek," the more astounded I am. I know this thread's about the Scotty spoiler, but bear with me.

The new Enterprise is . . . well . . . let's face it, it's crap. While I would've preferred a slightly updated design of the original Enterprise, I knew we weren't going to get that, and that's OK. I figured it would be a Gabe Koerner design, and while I think his designs are a bit overdone, at least they rely heavily on the original Enterprise design. This abomination they call the "Enterprise" is just sad. They took a movie saucer to try and connect with the original fans and placed it upon something that I can't really even say is recognizeable. If they're going to redesign the Enterprise, just do it all out. Don't try and appease me and all the other original fans with a saucer that doesn't work with the rest of the ship. The whole thing just looks wrong.

Now, on to this spoiler about Spock exiling Kirk on some frozen planet with Scotty being there in exile for some time before. First of all, it's just insane to think that Starfleet would exile any of their officers on some frozen planet because they screwed up. What . . . ??? Second, you're telling me that anyone in Starfleet is going to allow an engineer as talented as Scotty to just be exiled. I'm sorry, but none of this sounds particularly believable and believability is one of things I've always cherished about Trek.

Perhaps one of the things in this movie I really can't get behind is this transforming of Kirk from a hard-nosed student in the academy to some drunken bar-room brawler. What the hell is going on here? Many months ago, J.J. Abrams said he was going to respect canon, and while I didn't expect him to abide by canon in every single instance, I sure never expected he would go and change much of the background already established about the main characters of TOS.

The more I find out about this movie, the more I feel like Abrams has no respect for established Trek history and will trample on it in order to make Trek what he wishes it to be. I'm quite surprised Leonard Nimoy decided to participate in it, and if everything we've read and seen about this movie is true, I can only hope that it will be ignored in canon.

maybe cause Nimoy read the script and isn't going on assumptions...


nah that couldn't be it.

 

[Nowhere Man]

I got a feeling that Scotty may be somewhat joking and was there for a real reason

 

[JuanBolio]

Wait... who said it was Admiral Archer??? Is this just an assumption someone made? I don't remember reading the name of the Admiral anywhere...

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

I am in agreement with the more reasonable voices here. Scotty accidently killed a dog that belongs to an ancestor of Archer's and then he is reassigned to some horrible post in the middle of nowhere..

Or Scotty is referring to a past attempt at what he's trying to do.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

It struck me as odd that any Starfleet personnel would be exiled, especially when the ship has a Brig.

How many years would you keep someone in the brig?

An exile to a remote ice planet could be exciting to some scientists and explorers who go willingly, but not so exciting to an engineer drafted to go with them.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

It may be written as exile there, but it still sounds like a reassignment to a crap station for the offense displeasing or inconveniencing a high officer.

In ST III, Mr Adventure assumes Uhura, whose "career is winding down" is being punished in a crap assignment, little realising she took the post on purpose to beam Kirk and co. to the Enterprise easily.

 

[BillJ]

This is my first post to this forum, although I am a life-long Trek fan, especially TOS.

I was truly excited about this upcoming movie, even with different actors portraying my favorite characters. Quinto, I think, will make a wonderful Spock. However, the more details I see and read about this upcoming "Trek," the more astounded I am. I know this thread's about the Scotty spoiler, but bear with me.

The new Enterprise is . . . well . . . let's face it, it's crap. While I would've preferred a slightly updated design of the original Enterprise, I knew we weren't going to get that, and that's OK. I figured it would be a Gabe Koerner design, and while I think his designs are a bit overdone, at least they rely heavily on the original Enterprise design. This abomination they call the "Enterprise" is just sad. They took a movie saucer to try and connect with the original fans and placed it upon something that I can't really even say is recognizeable. If they're going to redesign the Enterprise, just do it all out. Don't try and appease me and all the other original fans with a saucer that doesn't work with the rest of the ship. The whole thing just looks wrong.

Now, on to this spoiler about Spock exiling Kirk on some frozen planet with Scotty being there in exile for some time before. First of all, it's just insane to think that Starfleet would exile any of their officers on some frozen planet because they screwed up. What . . . ??? Second, you're telling me that anyone in Starfleet is going to allow an engineer as talented as Scotty to just be exiled. I'm sorry, but none of this sounds particularly believable and believability is one of things I've always cherished about Trek.

Perhaps one of the things in this movie I really can't get behind is this transforming of Kirk from a hard-nosed student in the academy to some drunken bar-room brawler. What the hell is going on here? Many months ago, J.J. Abrams said he was going to respect canon, and while I didn't expect him to abide by canon in every single instance, I sure never expected he would go and change much of the background already established about the main characters of TOS.

The more I find out about this movie, the more I feel like Abrams has no respect for established Trek history and will trample on it in order to make Trek what he wishes it to be. I'm quite surprised Leonard Nimoy decided to participate in it, and if everything we've read and seen about this movie is true, I can only hope that it will be ignored in canon.

maybe cause Nimoy read the script and isn't going on assumptions...


nah that couldn't be it.

Or it could be that Nimoy figured he'd cash-in one last time. Big Hollywood paydays don't come often for 80 year old actors.