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Scientists are sometimes wrong. Whut?

Gary7

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Well, scientists do their part to find the truth in the physical world, but sometimes they go awry. Not that often, though. And the political/religious zealots will grab hold of those times when they were wrong as an attempt to eviscerate any claims that contradict them, because... human nature.

Anyway, SciShow put out an interesting show about this I thought some folks here might appreciate:
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Kinda what is Science about..

1: "I think it has to be like this!"

2: "Lets see about that, I think it's like that! lets try.. stuff and see!"

1+2: "Okay then, it wasn't like this or that.. but a weird combination of both..."

Tadaa! science has been done!
 
General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are incompatible so one or both theories are likely to be wrong - at least in the sense of being incomplete. They are both still useful theories as they yield predictions that agree well with experiment but they can be difficult to work with. Classical Newtonian mechanics, though known to be based on false premises (its assumption of universally applicable spacetime coordinates), is still the best choice for scenarios where Special Relativity, GR and QM effects are negligible, which is the case for many scenarios in the realm of everyday human experience and even including spacecraft dynamics. Exceptions include GPS systems (GR and SR), high-energy accelerators (SR and quantum field theory, QFT), superconductors (QM), semiconductors (QM), quantum computation (QM), and lasers (QM). Engineers use theories that are the easiest to work with that make sufficiently accurate predictions. Scientists push theory to the limits and perhaps secretly want to find areas where it goes awry - there lie Nobel prizes potentially.
 
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Yes - the scientific method has experimental falsifiability at its core. For example, Einstein's theory of specific heat was superceeded by Debye's theory and further refined by more exact modelling of phonon modes.
 
Scientists are wrong all the time. The only difference is if you show them proof they are wrong, they will change their minds, instead of killing you.

This brings up an important angle for discussion. Let’s all keep in mind that we can’t separate the “ideal” of pure science’ from the reality of the military/industrial complex in which it is nowadays hopelessly entangled, and all the machinations and intrigue that goes along with that.

Whether or not people are still assassinated for “scientific heresy” by the military industrial complex is a can of worms, and a topic left for another thread, lest this one get way off track, suffice it to say that entertaining any such possibilities will immediately get one branded a “conspiracy theorist” and summarily dismissed on that basis alone regardless of any facts of the matter.

So let’s focus instead on whether or not scientists will admit that they are wrong if shown proof. Frankly, this is nothing but a modern myth. Much depends on how well accepted and long standing belief in the old theory happens to be. Lot’s of petty human emotions and frailties come into play here.

If, for instance, a scientist has spent lots of money on his or her education, learning the old paradigm, then to admit that paradigm might be wrong is to admit that they wasted all that time and money. And if a scientist has written books and given lectures expanding on the old paradigm then he or she is likely to feel as if their entire career has been wasted if they have to admit they were wrong, not to mention losing face -and all that money and prestige that they would otherwise continue to accrue in the future.

In short, let’s not put science and scientists on a pedestal and accord them the same infallible status heretofore reserved for some religious leaders, and in the process, forget to think critically for ourselves.
 
You can argue that some scientists are slow to accept a new paradigm, but frankly those scientists that are, are poor scientists. They might be slow to accept a new theory, but when that theory is proven they reluctantly go along.

Nobody who has a plausible argument is branded a conspiracy theorist. There's a big difference between challenging conventional wisdom and denying it completely and claiming the Earth is flat.
 
I experienced petty academic jealousy in my first career, which is why I changed career when I got sick of it. Scientists are all too human and not a few are very childish.
 
Scientists are wrong all the time. The only difference is if you show them proof they are wrong, they will change their minds, instead of killing you.
Right for a time, proven wrong, then corrected to something right... Lather, rinse, repeat. That does NOT happen with religion. ;)
 
Animism, to polytheism, to monotheism, plus schisms within those religious orders giving rise to a plethora of denominations, religion is always evolving.
 
I think the significance of that science at a time, even a long time, can be wrong is that while people admit it can be often its claims are treated as irrefutable fact and used as the basis for setting or changing policies regardless of how costly or destructive the policies may be. Seriously bearing in mind that (seemingly) well-supported scientific claims can be wrong of course would and should make people more reluctant to bear costs of a policy on the grounds that scientists say we must.
 
There's a related problem, at least issue, in that scientific expertise can be used to claim expertise and (therefore) authority in general. Believing or acting as if a scientific understanding is the truth rather than a supported or contested claims can make that tendency worse.
 
Overheard:

"Yes, science has been wrong. You know what proved it wrong? MORE SCIENCE. You know what eventually found the right answer? MORE FUCKING SCIENCE."

Nothing has ever been proven by some yokel crying that people have "too much faith in science." That's just the distress call of someone whose particular woo-laden ox is being gored.
 
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