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Science fiction pet hate

Deckerd

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Here you can list your absolute worst mistake in a science fiction film. I know some of you could write books on it but just choose the one that niggles the most.

For me, for some reason I can't fathom, it's Chronicles of Riddick. When they're on the planet Crematoria, the jailers 'pop the lid' to let some fresh air in. Air? AIR? On a barren planet whose surface goes up to a thousand degrees when facing the sun? Then they all go out and run about on the surface. It makes me cross just typing this.

Over to you.
 
Wing Commander. It just really got to me in that movie that during a bit where the hero spaceship is hiding from enemy spaceships, a character actually shushes someone and they all start talking in whispers, because, you know, someone could hear them.

:wtf:

You know even if there was air in space how could the voice carry from the interior of the goddamn spaceship to another one a few thousand miles away?
 
2012. What a piece of :censored:. Fortunately, I didn't spend much to see it. Tickets cheap in my hometown.

The people we were supposed to root for were completely unsympathetic IMO. After the guy in Asia alerted the American geologist (sorry, I don't remember any of the characters' names) of the coming catastrophe, he went home and did nothing to ensure that his friend would get a ticket to safety. Jerk. He didn't even make sure his own father would be saved. Sheesh.

The SPFX in California were pretty good, but the rest, not so much for me.
 
Oh, I thought this was going to be about science fiction pets that we hated. Like Muffit the daggit. Or that "Blarp" from the Lost in Space movie.
 
Science Fiction pet hate? Religion. For some reason, SF writers create these alien worlds where every member of the species has the same religious preference. Klingons, for example, all have the exact same belief. Bajorans all have the same belief system.

Yet we have hundreds, if not thousands (or more?) of various religions here on Earth. Why would any alien culture all have exactly the same belief system? The only way it makes sense is to think of the writer as lazy.
 
Science Fiction pet hate? Religion. For some reason, SF writers create these alien worlds where every member of the species has the same religious preference. Klingons, for example, all have the exact same belief. Bajorans all have the same belief system.

Yet we have hundreds, if not thousands (or more?) of various religions here on Earth. Why would any alien culture all have exactly the same belief system? The only way it makes sense is to think of the writer as lazy.

Not just religion, but EVERYTHING. Almost every single planet they encounter in Star Trek is unified under the same religion, government, culture, etc. Hell, every planet has one singular leader. And if the planet just so happens to have multiple religions, you bet your ass that's what the episode will be about!
 
EditL Ah heck RoJoHen beat me to it.

There's a strong tendency for aliens to have one of, well, everything: One religion, one culture, one language. They're often treated as a rigorously monolithic nationality; whose capital city or whatever small corner of the planet our heroes actually visit is perfectly representative of the entire rest of the world.

I think this is partly because the examples we're talking about are TV; which is frequently dealing with an alien of the week, and if we got bogged down in all of those complexities it might simply get in the way of the story. It's a little less excusable for alien races that are staples of a franchise for years if not decades - as Star Trek has - but in that case the singular culture has come to define the alien. What makes a Klingon a Klingon or a Ferengi a Ferengi? It's not about the biological differences - which are mostly cosmetic; anything more significant merely being a plot twist for a given episode - but their cultural distinctiveness... which, er, really isn't all that 'alien' at all.

Oh, I thought this was going to be about science fiction pets that we hated.

That's a pretty bizarre inference. Surely that'd be titled 'pets we hate' or something; a pet hate is pretty self-explasnatory.
 
Oh, I thought this was going to be about science fiction pets that we hated.

That's a pretty bizarre inference. Surely that'd be titled 'pets we hate' or something; a pet hate is pretty self-explasnatory.

I disagree. I thought it was going to be about pets as well.

I don't think I've ever even heard the term "pet hate." If he had said "pet peeve," it would have been different.
 
It's not just Star Trek that features monolithic cultures, but most televised science fiction. The exceptions are shows like Battlestar Galactica or Alien Nation, which were able to portray diverse alien cultures because of their narrow focus on a single species (The humans of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol; The Newcomers).

Even a series like Babylon 5 could only offer a little diversity to its most featured aliens. The Minbari, for example, have a society split into three groups (worker, religious, and military castes).

It is the nature of the beast of science fiction on television.
 
There was also that Skittles moment on Mission to Mars, or am I misremembering which film? Because it punched through daft, stupid and asinine to a different plane of existence.

I was sort of hoping one of the fanboys would leap in with how [insert name] movie got the number of levels wrong on the Enterprise.
 
Even a series like Babylon 5 could only offer a little diversity to its most featured aliens. The Minbari, for example, have a society split into three groups (worker, religious, and military castes).

That's a good point, but I think you're taking it wrong. Babylon 5, that is.

Let's look at the Narn. G'Kar is a follower of G'Quan. Na'Toth isn't a follower of anything. As a child, each Narn is allowed to choose which religion they want to follow, and they pick their own name at that time. There's a multitude of religions there.

And speaking of multitude, in an early first season episode, they are having a show of the various alien religions, and Earth participates. They show Muslims and Catholics, Pagans and Athiests, Buddists, and dozens of others, showing that it's not just Narns who have differing religions.

Even among the main cast, we've got Delenn, the spiritual, with Garibaldi, the athiest ... Sinclair, the ... well, I assume he's Catholic, and all kinds of variety.

B5 and BSG are probably the best examples of shows that tackle multiple cultures living together.
 
Let's look at the Narn. G'Kar is a follower of G'Quan. Na'Toth isn't a follower of anything. As a child, each Narn is allowed to choose which religion they want to follow, and they pick their own name at that time. There's a multitude of religions there.

There could be a multitude of Narn religions, but besides G'Quan, only one or two others receive a cursory mention. More to my point, what we see of the Narn culture is more or less the same—note the way large groups of Narn dress on the series (with little difference).

And speaking of multitude, in an early first season episode, they are having a show of the various alien religions, and Earth participates. They show Muslims and Catholics, Pagans and Athiests, Buddists, and dozens of others, showing that it's not just Narns who have differing religions.

The humans are not relevant to my point. I was noting that alien cultures (by which I mean extraterrestrial cultures) are usually monolithic, and even in a program such as Babylon 5, have relatively little diversity.

Which is not to say that there was no diversity amongst alien races on Babylon 5--it certainly went further in developing its continuing aliens than most of the Star Trek franchise. As already noted, the Romulans, Klingons, and Ferengi have little if any diversity over the years.
 
Portraying humanity as being culturally diverse simply doesn't count unless you're making the cultures up. Also; making the Narns religiously diverse in all the same way - they all chose their religion in the same ceremony that they get their names - suggests a strong cultural uniformity in spite of having some exclusive religious faiths.
I disagree. I thought it was going to be about pets as well.

I don't think I've ever even heard the term "pet hate." If he had said "pet peeve," it would have been different.

Maybe you just don't have the term in America? Pet hate is pretty common here (and is synonymous with pet peeve).

It's not just Star Trek that features monolithic cultures, but most televised science fiction.

That's true. I singled Star Trek out specifically for criticism because, unlike most televised sci-fi, it's had a long time to develop its alien races, and indeed has devoted many hours of screentime to more than a few. The Klingons have simply had more time available then the Minbari or the Sabaceans ever could.

But even in novels; some of the best at portraying diversity of an alien culture do so because they focus on a very specific culture. The Left Hand of Darkness deals with a planet which is mostly uninhabitable; has only a couple of thousand or so in population; but is very detailed about two of the planet's four major cultures (with the extra-planetary universe mostly implied at rather then discussed at length.) The issue is always one of effort and time.
 
I think "pet peeve" is the more common term stateside. I've heard "pet hate" before, but it's a little bit more obscure.
 
Gotta go with Wing Commander myself. Besides the example about shushing the crew to remain hidden, the other moment I remember from the film that makes me cringe is the scene where the female pilot crash lands on the deck of the space carrier. Not only do they not send someone to the wreckage to verify she might be alive with just a broken radio, but they push the wreckage off the ship and it falls.... in space!!! There are other parts of that movie, but thankfully, I have blocked them from memory.
 
writers who don't know how evolution works and think we're all going to turn into glowly blob things or any other species will turn into glowy blob things. with super-powers.

what environmental and ecological pressures are going to force a species to discorporate and live as pure energy conciousness?
 
There's a strong tendency for aliens to have one of, well, everything: One religion, one culture, one language.

One tailor, one hairdresser.

They're often treated as a rigorously monolithic nationality; whose capital city or whatever small corner of the planet our heroes actually visit is perfectly representative of the entire rest of the world.

It always bugs me that almost all the human characters in Trek are from Earth, all the Vulcan characters from Vulcan, all the Klingon characters from Qo'noS, etc. There are occasional exceptions, but not enough. These are supposed to be interstellar powers that have colonized whole bunches of worlds.

Not to mention all the alien "empires" that are all one species from one planet. Here on Earth, an empire is a multicultural state where one dominant culture regulates and exploits the resources and labor of the others. One of the reasons I like Nemesis is because it's the first time we saw the Romulans actually behaving like an empire, ruling over another species which they used as cannon fodder.


It's a little less excusable for alien races that are staples of a franchise for years if not decades - as Star Trek has - but in that case the singular culture has come to define the alien. What makes a Klingon a Klingon or a Ferengi a Ferengi? It's not about the biological differences - which are mostly cosmetic; anything more significant merely being a plot twist for a given episode - but their cultural distinctiveness... which, er, really isn't all that 'alien' at all.

On the other hand, ST has occasionally gone deeper. DS9 explored a cultural change in Ferengi society, although it was a bit too much "misguided aliens embracing our superior Federation values." Bajor may have only had one global religious tradition, but there were variations in its interpretation, there were disbelievers, and there were fringe sects worshipping different entities. ENT did a particularly good job with this, showing the Vulcans as a culture in transition and touching on the existence of Klingon castes besides the warrior caste, acknowledging that the warriors hadn't always dominated the society.


And no, I've never heard "pet hate" as an expression. To my American eyes, the title broke down as "[Science fiction pet] [hate]."


Gotta go with Wing Commander myself. Besides the example about shushing the crew to remain hidden, the other moment I remember from the film that makes me cringe is the scene where the female pilot crash lands on the deck of the space carrier. Not only do they not send someone to the wreckage to verify she might be alive with just a broken radio, but they push the wreckage off the ship and it falls.... in space!!! There are other parts of that movie, but thankfully, I have blocked them from memory.

Actually I don't have a problem with that. On the contrary, one of my "pet hates" is the tendency of SF shows and movies to assume that a ship's artificial gravity is not felt outside the hull. That's nonsense. Matter is not opaque to gravity. If a ship were generating an artificial gravity field, you definitely should be able to feel its pull from outside. Anything on top of the ship or just off to the side, like a wrecked fighter being pushed off the edge, should definitely be subject to the pull of its gravity field. Although once it went off the edge it would be pulled diagonally inward toward the source of the gravity.
 
writers who don't know how evolution works and think we're all going to turn into glowly blob things or any other species will turn into glowy blob things. with super-powers.

what environmental and ecological pressures are going to force a species to discorporate and live as pure energy conciousness?
I think it's a big assumption that these transitions to a non-corporeal status are due to natural selection instead of these super advanced races fiddling with some sort of advanced technology.
 
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