Fascinating. Now that visit sounds worthy of its own thread too. Well, maybe we can pretend Starbase 47 was actually bigger, and either the Enterprise was smaller than she appeared when sliding through the doors ahead of Excelsior, or that there was an unseen larger door. I do intend to more thoroughly study the TSFS scenes to glean what I can. But overall, I'm not super concerned with whether or not it fits in Spacedock, since Spacedock's exact size isn't locked down. Scaled against the Enterprises and other concrete sizes, I think i might do. It's been a while, but I think I shall drop Mr. Probert a line, especially given that comment. I knew of course of the dubious canonical status of Mr. Johnson's work, though there were of course elements I admired. Haha, it is rather convenient we don't see the Excelsior exit, isn't it? In other words, they realized they made her too big, and scaled her down? I suppose that's possible. I will try to work up such a comparison this evening unless someone beats me to it. I can tell you the bridge is not at all identical, with a simple silver 'cap' in TSFS, and the Excelsior's being narrower in TUC. You would think so, but they seem to line up too well. And, scaling from the saucer rim isn't too terribly far off from what I get in engineering - if anything, the saucer points to narrower decks and therefore more of 'em. Not a fan of the bunks either. I believe there was a deck level sign outside Tuvok's quarters, I want to say it said deck seven. I'll need to hunt screencaps to be sure. Thank you sir, that's most helpful! You lucky so-and-so. Moreso, we lucky so-and-sos. If you find occasion to ask him about it, I would be elated. Fascinating - I remember the study model bit but not the later part. Truly he is the Father of the Excelsior then. Damn. Is it just me, or even allowing for perspective doesn't it seem like Excelsior is just going to be too wide? I'm pretty sure he did, indeed. Everything I've ever read about the original creation of the ship involves Mr. George. EDIT: I hunted down a few relevant script tidbits, from here. So there's a spot of authorial intent - Excelsior is bigger, along the lines of B-29 to Enterprise's B-17. This may be a more useful statement than we realize. Not only was the B-29 considerably larger, but it was considered fairly revolutionary for its time. Interestingly, the B-29 remained in service for a while after the war, but the B-17 was scrapped almost immediately after, as it was considered obsolete. Hrmmm... Might be worth doing a size difference percentage. I don't think this one is meant to represent size difference as much as set the scene, but it is amusing nonetheless: Another quote mentions that the Excelsior "looks faster than the Enterprise even standing still." Not very useful to our size discussion, but I'd say the modelmakers did achieve that look.