So now I see where I went wrong in High School. I should have been taking ballet classes instead of Astronomy. Dammit!
Saturday predatory female teacher thread
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Even if the older person is male?
As for the double standard - of course there is one. If the older teachers we have been discussing were male, then the outrage would be deafening - the teachers would be either 1) immediately thrown in prison (where they would be raped and/or killed by the other inmates), 2) forced to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives (in which case, given the often unrealistic restrictions on where sex offenders can live, they would probably end up homeless), or 3) simply lynched by the mob.
Don't believe me? Just read the thread right here on this board about whether sex offenders deserve to have violence committed against them. Here it is.
Sadly, there are double standards. I feel that these women should get the maximum penalty allowed. I do not care if the one boy was willing or not. He is still a child.
As many of you stated "she is a hottie". She could have picked any man she wanted. This is a psychosis I do not and never WANT to understand.
As many of you stated "she is a hottie". She could have picked any man she wanted. This is a psychosis I do not and never WANT to understand.
I might've been part of the angry mob once upon a time. But elsewhere on this board, I have mentioned that it's just hit too close to home for me to judge in absolutes.
A former teacher of mine was just arrested for statutory. He was in a relationship, by quite a few accounts with a girl who was 15 when it started. She's 16 now. It was consensual, by all accounts, but he was in a position of power, she was underage and he's 49. The man I knew knew better than to be that stupid. I cannot scream for his head, but I can ask what the hell was he thinking?!
Edit: In these cases, when it was consensual but the teen student was a couple of years underage or if it was a college student with a prof, it boils down to the prof or teacher knows better. Now if it's a middle school kid or below, then prepare for the fires of hell because you aren't dealing with a young adult. You're dealing with a child. Case in point: Mary Kay LeTourneau. Her student was 12 years old! And she later broke her no-contact order, served her time, and married the boy when he was, I believe, 18.
A former teacher of mine was just arrested for statutory. He was in a relationship, by quite a few accounts with a girl who was 15 when it started. She's 16 now. It was consensual, by all accounts, but he was in a position of power, she was underage and he's 49. The man I knew knew better than to be that stupid. I cannot scream for his head, but I can ask what the hell was he thinking?!
Edit: In these cases, when it was consensual but the teen student was a couple of years underage or if it was a college student with a prof, it boils down to the prof or teacher knows better. Now if it's a middle school kid or below, then prepare for the fires of hell because you aren't dealing with a young adult. You're dealing with a child. Case in point: Mary Kay LeTourneau. Her student was 12 years old! And she later broke her no-contact order, served her time, and married the boy when he was, I believe, 18.
No, I think it should be against the rules, I'm just not outraged unless somebody is forced to do something against their will. If, as you say, somebody is taking advantage of a position of influence, then that is the equivalent of being forced. But I imagine most times in cases like these, it's the youngster taking advantage of an opportunity to score with an older, more experienced and more attractive person.
^It is possible, RJ. We send young people mixed signals in regard to sex. We tell girls, "It's your body and your choice whom you're intimate with," but if they choose someone a great deal older than themselves, it's suddenly bad, horrible and wasn't their choice to do it or they didn't know what they were doing. 
Edit: However, the adult in this situation does know better, and that's what it boils down to.
Edit: However, the adult in this situation does know better, and that's what it boils down to.
We send young people mixed signals in regard to sex. We tell girls, "It's your body and your choice whom you're intimate with," but if they choose someone a great deal older than themselves, it's suddenly bad, horrible and wasn't their choice to do it or they didn't know what they were doing.
And, conversely, we guys have the image of older women as extremely hot and desirable (hell, I'm pushing 40 and I *still* think that), and the concept of a younger guy with an older woman is not treated with scorn.
Exactly. We have no idea what his motivation was, but he was very likely not some sexual predator-- probably just a lonely guy who felt the best years of his life slipping away and suffered a lapse of will power. Now he's doomed to be looked at as a criminal for the rest of his life, while the girl's only regret will probably be that her friend got in trouble for what to her is a fond memory.^It is possible, RJ. We send young people mixed signals in regard to sex. We tell girls, "It's your body and your choice whom you're intimate with," but if they choose someone a great deal older than themselves, it's suddenly bad, horrible and wasn't their choice to do it or they didn't know what they were doing.
Edit: However, the adult in this situation does know better, and that's what it boils down to.
Just think of how the movies portray these kinds of relationships. If it's a teenage guy and an older woman, it's usually a bittersweet love affair and a rite of passage. If it's a teen girl and an older man, the girl is usually an obsessed stalker (sometimes an out-and-out psychotic) who turns the guy's life upside down and nearly ruins him. Quite apart from the law, there's a double standard, all right.
^Or the guy is a psycho pervert and the girl is forced into a relationship. Total double standard.
Sounds like the spin of someone more comfortable with stereotyping others than with actually discussing the issue.But in the case of the ballet teacher, perhaps she was just doing her duty. I mean, the boys have to prance around on stage in tights, hoisting hot little ballerinas up by their tender bits. Suppose some of her male students were having a few visible hormone issues. She can't in good conscience let them embarass themselves in front of hundreds or thousands of people. So she does what any young, hot, responsible ballet teacher should do. She takes care of the problem!
How's that for spin?!
Well, from personal experience... I think that a lot of this has to do with the nature of the relationship. Was the teacher/older woman married or in some other relationship and just toying around with the student/younger boy? Was there more there than just a sexual relationship?
Most of the time people assume that the boy is vacant or a non-person... that there couldn't possibly be anything that he might have (beyond sex appeal) that would make someone risk everything to be with him. And I doubt that we'll ever actually hear about there being any other motives beyond sex because it is the sex aspect that attracts people to this type of story.
I don't know what actually happen in these cases... and in the end, I don't think the authorities will care anyways. I just know that stories like these aren't always as shallow as the newspaper versions make them out to be.
Most of the time people assume that the boy is vacant or a non-person... that there couldn't possibly be anything that he might have (beyond sex appeal) that would make someone risk everything to be with him. And I doubt that we'll ever actually hear about there being any other motives beyond sex because it is the sex aspect that attracts people to this type of story.
I don't know what actually happen in these cases... and in the end, I don't think the authorities will care anyways. I just know that stories like these aren't always as shallow as the newspaper versions make them out to be.
Sounds like the spin of someone more comfortable with stereotyping others than with actually discussing the issue.But in the case of the ballet teacher, perhaps she was just doing her duty. I mean, the boys have to prance around on stage in tights, hoisting hot little ballerinas up by their tender bits. Suppose some of her male students were having a few visible hormone issues. She can't in good conscience let them embarass themselves in front of hundreds or thousands of people. So she does what any young, hot, responsible ballet teacher should do. She takes care of the problem!
How's that for spin?!
Maybe that was a joke?
Sounds like the spin of someone more comfortable with stereotyping others than with actually discussing the issue.But in the case of the ballet teacher, perhaps she was just doing her duty. I mean, the boys have to prance around on stage in tights, hoisting hot little ballerinas up by their tender bits. Suppose some of her male students were having a few visible hormone issues. She can't in good conscience let them embarass themselves in front of hundreds or thousands of people. So she does what any young, hot, responsible ballet teacher should do. She takes care of the problem!
How's that for spin?!
Sounds like the spin of someone who has no grasp of humor and who cries "racism" at the drop of a hat.
You can back that up, can you? If not, then I'll ask for an apology.Sounds like the spin of someone more comfortable with stereotyping others than with actually discussing the issue.But in the case of the ballet teacher, perhaps she was just doing her duty. I mean, the boys have to prance around on stage in tights, hoisting hot little ballerinas up by their tender bits. Suppose some of her male students were having a few visible hormone issues. She can't in good conscience let them embarass themselves in front of hundreds or thousands of people. So she does what any young, hot, responsible ballet teacher should do. She takes care of the problem!
How's that for spin?!
<SNIP>and who cries "racism" at the drop of a hat.
Or you can pull the stick out, realize that it was a joke, and chill the hell out.
Or you can read his post, which was suggesting that I called him a racist, and return to your otherwise productive life.
If you'll permit me to step in here, in gturner's defense, I don't think he was specifically accusing Misfit Toy of calling him a racist. He was making a generic statement about hypersensitive people who habitually complain about “stereotyping” and similar buzzwords, and who apparently lack a sense of humor.
I mean, literally dragging race into this would be nonsensical. In both cases, the teacher and the pupil were both white!
(Weren't they?)
I mean, literally dragging race into this would be nonsensical. In both cases, the teacher and the pupil were both white!
(Weren't they?)
Or you can read his post, which was suggesting that I called him a racist, and return to your otherwise productive life.
The "joke" I'm talking about was not Post #34. I'm talking about Post #18.
If you had not over reacted to Post #18 (and you did, hence "pull the stick out"), Post #34 would probably never have been made.
Now go about your business.
Should they loose their job, yes.
Should they be charged as criminals, no.
Society needs to come to terms with the fact that teens can and do have the ability to make informed consent, and needs to adjust the laws, not just ones relating to sex, appropriately. They need to do this because not doing it is causing more damage in the long run than it's preventing, now.
Should they be charged as criminals, no.
Society needs to come to terms with the fact that teens can and do have the ability to make informed consent, and needs to adjust the laws, not just ones relating to sex, appropriately. They need to do this because not doing it is causing more damage in the long run than it's preventing, now.
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