Same canon?

[Devon]

Bitter, upset TOS fan who can't get over not liking the modern Star Trek a whole year later: Pointless.

What's to get over? I didn't like the movie.

We've known this since before the movie.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

She's a Pro, NOT A ROBOT.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the "robot" connection when it comes to a professional trying to inform a planet that the entire population is in danger and they need to evacuate. I really don't.

Well, simply sending out a message probably is NOT a big deal, but the Captain leaving the Bridge like that is something she's not going to miss.

Not a big deal? Vulcan has minutes left so every second counts. Rather than do what she's been assigned to do, she ignores her duties, wastes his time, and accomplishes what? A reason for her not to worry about him? Hey idiot, try worrying about all those people down on the planet. I think they need your help more than you need reassurance.

Pro's don't leave their station when given an order in a time of crises just to question the captain in what he is about to do. You have a duty, he has a duty. You're doing no one any favors by asking what's going on, because you should know enough already. Planet dying, population in danger, save as many as you can. She doesn't do that. In fact, if she hadn't delayed him in getting to the Transporter room, he would have arrived there earlier than he did originally and would have given him those few precious seconds it would have taken to beam everyone up to the Enterprise including his mother. So there you go. Uhura was one of the many elements that caused Amanda's death.

Yeah, HIS DUTY IS ON THE BRIDGE, and HE'S EFFING LEAVING IT !!!!!!!!!

She can't ask WHY ???????

Give me a BREAK !!! I'D ASK (as a friend AND an officer who was seeing something out of the ordinary in the actions of my CO).

 

[Jeyl]

Bitter, upset TOS fan who can't get over not liking the modern Star Trek a whole year later: Pointless.

What's to get over? I didn't like the movie.

We've known this since before the movie.

No you didn't because I was singing praises about it.

 

[Jeyl]

HIS DUTY IS ON THE BRIDGE, and HE'S EFFING LEAVING IT !!!!!!!!!

She can't ask WHY ???????

Why should she have to? Spock left his crew with important instructions on what to do thanks to Chekov's analysis that Vulcan was about to be destroyed. Keep the ship in orbit, issue a planet wide evacuation order and leave Chekov in command while he was away. Since Spock is a Vulcan himself and familiar with the planet, as an officer I would assume that Spock knows what he is doing in order to save as many lives as he can, since he gave me the order to issue an evacuation.

Spock did not leave his post out of the blue like Uhura left hers three times in this movie. Spock went into rescue mode, Uhura went into blank mode. He was taking action, she was not. What difference would it have made if she knew why he was leaving? A planet is about to be destroyed and he ordered her to help save as many lives as possible. I doubt anyone would think he was leaving so he could beam down and relax on the beach while drinking klingon blood wine.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

eah, HIS DUTY IS ON THE BRIDGE, and HE'S EFFING LEAVING IT !!!!!!!!!

She can't ask WHY ???????

At least Spock left his crew with important instructions on what to do. Keep the ship in orbit, issue a planet wide evacuation order and leave Chekov in command while he was away. I'd hardly say he just left his post out of the blue like Uhura left hers three times in this movie.

AGAIN, she had her earpiece in at those points, keeping her connected.

And my point still stands.

 

[Devon]

- fluent in alien languages. Pointless. The Romulans speak perfect english the entire time. No need to translate.

Incorrect. When Robau walks on to the Narada bridge we hear the Romulan language from the bridge crew. We know they do.

- Has a lot of technical skills. Pointless. She's super skilled at blah blah blah

Just nothing but anger in most of your post.

Now, what did Uhura from TOS get to do?
- Takes over the helm quite often in episodes like "The Man Trap" and "Balance of Terror".
- Is willing to go up against evil Sulu in "Mirror, mirror".
- Actually uses her station instead of just looking at a light, getting up and striking a pose while saying "We're being hailed!".
- And how many times must I bring this up? She took command of the gawd dang Enterprise and saved the day! No "Kirk's report is accurate", no "I'm not picking up any Romulan Transmissions", just pure awesomeness that is "I am assuming command of the Enterprise". You think NuUhura will ever get that sort of authority in Star Trek under the care of Bob and Alex, two writers who would sooner kill off the only female Transformer before she even got to finish one sentence? Ya, probably not.

No. What you did was cite the limited number of times she was even remotely useful through her 25 year tenure and try to use this as some sort of argument. You're comparison is flawed as more often than not she served nothing more than to be the "Hailing Frequencies Open" girl.

Kirk yells at Spock, disobeys his orders, assaults two on-duty security officers who were following orders, and actually whines about Spock violating protocols. So Kirk thinks he can break any rule whenever he wants to, but if someone else does, that's crossing the line.
And he's in this all because he was dared to.

Not because he believes in what the Federation is doing,

Prove it.

not because he's a romantic adventurer (You know, like classic Kirk),

Proof?

not because he wants to explore the final frontier.

Proof?

He's doing it because he was dared to. Ya, he's an a**hole.

No.

Bones. His original character did have a lot of great moments that didn't involve arguing or shouting, yet that's all he does here. No words of wisdom and no senior experience to pass.

He's had plenty of times in the past without "Words of wisdom and no senior experience to pass." You act as though the past 40 years of Star Trek were one big blur and the film was supposed to do all of that at once, when no other Star Trek did either.

Scotty: Here we once had a likable guy with a heart of gold who took great pride in his work, now reduced to a comedic character who's only purpose is to make the audience laugh.

And if he is, how does that cancel out that he's proud of his work? It doesn't

Where as the original Scotty will defend the Enterprise with a vengeance if anyone bad mouths her, NuScotty isn't afraid to make womanizing groping jokes about her.

Just one joke. Prove to us that he isn't willing to defend the NuEnterprise (even though he's the one who saved it at the end of the film.)

 

[OneBuckFilms]

HIS DUTY IS ON THE BRIDGE, and HE'S EFFING LEAVING IT !!!!!!!!!

She can't ask WHY ???????

Why should she have to? Spock left his crew with important instructions on what to do thanks to Chekov's analysis that Vulcan was about to be destroyed. Keep the ship in orbit, issue a planet wide evacuation order and leave Chekov in command while he was away. Since Spock is a Vulcan himself and familiar with the planet, as an officer I would assume that Spock knows what he is doing in order to save as many lives as he can, since he gave me the order to issue an evacuation.

Spock did not leave his post out of the blue like Uhura left hers three times in this movie. Spock went into rescue mode, Uhura went into blank mode. He was taking action, she was not. What difference would it have made if she knew why he was leaving? A planet is about to be destroyed and he ordered her to help save as many lives as possible. I doubt anyone would think he was leaving so he could beam down and relax on the beach while drinking klingon blood wine.

Okay, why would she NOT ask why? Uhura in TOS has a question, she'd ask the Captain. AGAIN, she saw something UNUSUAL and ACTED on her observations. Therefore: SHE WAS THINKING !!!!!!!!

 

[Captain_Rogers]

WOW.

Over a year later and there are still some violently bitter people desperately in need of large doses of Xanax.

I don't even know where to begin here....

Seems to me I've lived through numerous reboots of various franchises, which have made fairly major changes along the way, with far less vitriol than seen here.

007, Batman, Battlestar Galactica etc.

Turn Uhura into a blond caucasian woman? sure why not...... Starbuck went from a borderline con artist womanizing frat boy to a blond caucasian woman with a stick up her ass so why not.

And seriously guys....look up canon in the dictionary. You are basically calling Trek a religion here. The fanaticism however would tend to back that assertion up I guess.

All the characters are aholes. nice. Joining Starfleet on a dare is irrelevant. While this might come as a shock, in the real world, people can change based on situations thrown at them. A romance forming from a kiss that started as a joke at a party. a career path you ended up on by accident that you turned out to really like, even though you thought you'd hate it at first etc.....

Things like that happen in the real world. Moving out of mom's basement will open lots of new experiences to you.

In the end, it's entertainment. If it makes you this angry then you need to get professional help.

 

[Jeyl]

SHE WAS THINKING !!!!!!!!

Think for a second Buck. What's more important? Trying to save as many lives on the planet below, or question the captain who's obviously trying to do something about it? Her questioning Spock resulted in two things.

1. Delayed alerting Vulcan to evacuate
2. Delayed Spock in getting down to Vulcan as quickly as possible which resulted in the death of his mother.

 

[Jeyl]

In the end, it's entertainment. If it makes you this angry then you need to get professional help.

What? I'm not angry.

 

[skinofevil]

Is XI considered to be an alternate timeline within the original canon, or is it a separate canon?

If they’re the same canon, there are some contradictions that are difficult to resolve. For example:

The characters played by Zoe Saldana and Anton Yelchin bear little resemblance to the characters played by Nichelle Nichols and Walter Koenig. The differences are not something that can easily be explained by the Narada's impact on the timeline.

Delta Vega is near the galactic perimeter in TOS and near Vulcan in XI.

In TOS, starships are a rare commodity, so much so that an object could leave Klingon space headed for Earth with only one Federation starship in a position to intercept and that one starship isn’t even ready for launch. In XI, the Federation is able to gather a TNG-ish 40-vessel fleet at Vulcan in almost no time. At least five (Farragut, Walcott, Hood, Antares, and Enterprise) are on Earth and ready to go. Similarly, the Klingons are able to muster a 47-ship fleet to confront the Narada.

Pike appears to be much older in XI than in TOS, despite XI being set nine years before The Cage.

The Kelvin has escape pods with which the entire crew is able to evacuate the ship. Federation ships in TOS apparently have no such capacity.

In TOS, Chekov is 22 years old at the time of Who Mourns for Adonis. In XI, he is 17. But XI is set nine years before WMFA. (Maybe it’s possible that the Narada's intervention caused him to be born several years earlier than in the original timeline, but that seems like a stretch.)

In XI, Scotty has a tribble at his post on Delta Vega. In TOS, removing a tribble from its predator-filled natural environment is a disaster.

Can all these differences be treksplained by the Narada’s intervention, or are they not required to be?

These so-called "differences" are easily explainable. The Godlike being from Star Trek V is actually J.J. Abrams. Star Trek XI is its revenge upon Kirk and the Enterprise crew.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

These so-called "differences" are easily explainable. The Godlike being from Star Trek V is actually J.J. Abrams. Star Trek XI is its revenge upon Kirk and the Enterprise crew.

That's the best explanation I've heard yet.

 

[Jeyl]

These so-called "differences" are easily explainable. The Godlike being from Star Trek V is actually J.J. Abrams. Star Trek XI is its revenge upon Kirk and the Enterprise crew.

That's the best explanation I've heard yet.

Kirk: What does God need with a starship?
God: It's not a starship, it's a Hot Rod!
ILM Crew: And we're very proud that we turned the Enterprise into a Hot Rod thing.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why does someone who dislikes a film know the Bluray exras well enough to quote them?

 

[Jeyl]

Why does someone who dislikes a film know the Bluray exras well enough to quote them?

Because I didn't need the BluRay to quote it?

LINK - 1:50

I feel sorry for the poor Master Replicas Enterprise sitting in the background.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

Why does someone who dislikes a film know the Bluray exras well enough to quote them?

Because I didn't need the BluRay to quote it?

LINK - 1:50

Oh, okay.

I feel sorry for the poor Master Replicas Enterprise sitting in the background.

Yeah 'coz it looks all old and clunky when seen between clips of the modern Enterprise

 

[I-Am-Zim]

On the contrary, because it looks sleek, beautiful and elegant in comparason to the bloated, disproportionate, parodic, caracature that is the Abramsprise.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Seems to me I've lived through numerous reboots of various franchises, which have made fairly major changes along the way, with far less vitriol than seen here.

007, Batman, Battlestar Galactica etc.

If they had done a straight up reboot I'd agree with you. The Supreme Court chose to tie the NuUniverse into the old. If you're going to do that you have to follow the rules that already exist.

Go for a full reboot and all bets are off. That is what NuBSG did. And Batman. And Bond. NuTrek didn't reboot. That's the difference.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

SHE WAS THINKING !!!!!!!!

Think for a second Buck. What's more important? Trying to save as many lives on the planet below, or question the captain who's obviously trying to do something about it? Her questioning Spock resulted in two things.

1. Delayed alerting Vulcan to evacuate
2. Delayed Spock in getting down to Vulcan as quickly as possible which resulted in the death of his mother.

Being aware of the bigger picture is part of making sure you have the information you need TO save lives.

If the Captain is leaving the Bridge during an emergency, knowing where he's going at the very least, means that if/when things change, you'll have a better picture of where the pieces are.

And YES, she cares about someone she knows personally.

Sending the distress signal is likely a relatively trivial task, so she can take a brief moment for clarification of what's happening.

On both Personal AND Professional levels, it's prudent to ask.

 

[Captain_Rogers]

Seems to me I've lived through numerous reboots of various franchises, which have made fairly major changes along the way, with far less vitriol than seen here.

007, Batman, Battlestar Galactica etc.

If they had done a straight up reboot I'd agree with you. The Supreme Court chose to tie the NuUniverse into the old. If you're going to do that you have to follow the rules that already exist.

Eh no...they really don't have to follow anything they don't feel like following actually. That's also kind of hypocritical since it's well established that the original universe didn't follow the rules from one episode to the next any better than extremely loosely.

Had Trek actually followed it's own rules, I'd agree with you. But it didn't.

So all bets are off, and the new team is free to do as they want, fixing inconsistent junk science, fixing hideous plot holes etc. as they choose.

It was the weight of "canon" that was really becoming Trek's biggest liability, and that restraint has been thrown off.