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Sam Raimi Hints at Possible Spider-Man 4 Villain

That's one serious clusterf*** there. Probably would make for an absolute mess of a film.

Well, if you're going to sugar-coat your opinion and use euphemisms...
:lol:


Oh believe me, my inner fanboy screams "that would be awesome!" at that idea, but the part of me that lives in reality knows that could never feasibly be done and be good at the same time.:lol:

Oh, you want it done good. Hmph! Elitist! You should be grateful--GRATEFUL I say!, that Raimi/Marvel/Sony ever made such a mess, which they ask such a pittance to allow you to watch.

Seriously, hasn't it ever become obvious to these would be Tinseltown titans that multiple villains don't work? Pick one of the second tier and aggrandize them for the plot. Most of these guys have powers that could threaten a whole city. Electro jumps to mind. Make him an arrogant lineman (like in the early comics) who has one of those 'extreme' reality shows, which is when he gets fried and empowered. If they want the Lizard, just have it be that the film cliffhangs on Connors going missing.

If The Vulture, then he should be on recapturing his youth, not caring what the experiments do to NYC's environment. Or have him competing with Silvermane for the Fountain effect. And stuff like that there.
 
I like the character of Morbius but this would be a lousy film. Spider-Man 3 was awful and I don't really care if I see another one from this cast/crew.
 
My favorite villains are Black Cat & Jackal (probably unusable) and Mysterio; don't have much of a connection to Kraven or Vulture (though they could be cool), Morbius (who'd probably look out of place) or Lizard (too many mad scientists already).
 
After Spidey 3 it is hard to believe Raimi really has an interest in the character anymore. What should have been done with 3 was to make Venom the one and only villain in the movie. Fans have been wanting him since the beginning, it would have made a tighter movie overall as well.

Just make the story like this: Edward "Eddie" Brock is this new hot shot reporter at the Daily Bugle that hates Spidey as much as Jonah Jameson. He also hates Peter and constantly bullies him at work knowing how Peter gets the beauty shots of Spidey all the time.At first Peter is all wimpy and scared, not because Brock is three times his size and twice his height, he can easily hurt him and blow his cover. Add to that frustration, things are not going too well with Mary Jane because of his alter ego being away all the time. In the meantime, Harry is howling mad at Peter for the discoveries he made in the second movie and tries to bring him down, but fails miserably and ends up in a deep coma.

The Symbiote then lands and takes over Peter's body is certain ways, making him stronger, faster, meaner. Spidey now hurts goons more lethally and the public knows it; it is getting huge press how Spidey is now less understanding and more brutal in his handling of criminals. A great action sequence then follows when Eddie gets certain pictures of Spidey doing things he shouldn't be doing (beating up an unarmed goon to a pulp, mashing heads with greater force, whatever). But it isn't juicy enough so Eddie does some photoshopping and presents the pictures to Jameson.

Jameson is happy, but Peter looking at the photos and being internally influenced by the Symbiote, points out the obvious douchebaggery of Brock. An enraged Brock then tries to attack Peter at which point Peter basically manhandles Brock in front of the entire office, and Jonah, none too pleased with Brock's shenanigans, fires him on spot. Brock is pretty badly injured though, and coupled with how the public is now 'scared' of Spidey and his supposed ruthlessness brings Peter to decide he must discard the symbiote.

The rest of the movie plays off from Peter trying to get the symbiote off in the same church Brock goes to pray for Petey's death, discovers Peter's "secret" and ends up (following lead/taking inspiration from first three movies) kidnapping Mary Jane and holding her hostage until Spidey shows up and fights him. The spectacular fight scene pits Pete's experiences as Spider-man against an enraged man covered in the alien symbiote that has absorbed all of Peter's skills, and only Peter's sheer determination to fight and his smarts save him and MJ in the end.

A subplot of the movie would show Dr. Connors being fascinated by the symbiote sample Peter gave him, does some intriguing research, and ends up discovering how it could help him get his arm back. He mixes some lizard stuff with the symbiote's genetic structure with whatever scientific excuse the writers write about, and injects himself with it. In a key scene we see his eyes turning red, and his breath being of a soft hissing tone (setting him up for the fourth movie, etc).

What do you guys think? :)
 
Well I rather liked Spider-Man 3, so I'm really looking forward to 4. I've never read a Spider-Man comic before, but I loved Morbius in the cartoon. As long as they get rid of those suction cups on his hands and actually have him, you know, bite people I'll be happy.
 
After Spidey 3 it is hard to believe Raimi really has an interest in the character anymore. What should have been done with 3 was to make Venom the one and only villain in the movie. Fans have been wanting him since the beginning, it would have made a tighter movie overall as well.

Just make the story like this: Edward "Eddie" Brock is this new hot shot reporter at the Daily Bugle that hates Spidey as much as Jonah Jameson. He also hates Peter and constantly bullies him at work knowing how Peter gets the beauty shots of Spidey all the time.At first Peter is all wimpy and scared, not because Brock is three times his size and twice his height, he can easily hurt him and blow his cover. Add to that frustration, things are not going too well with Mary Jane because of his alter ego being away all the time. In the meantime, Harry is howling mad at Peter for the discoveries he made in the second movie and tries to bring him down, but fails miserably and ends up in a deep coma.

The Symbiote then lands and takes over Peter's body is certain ways, making him stronger, faster, meaner. Spidey now hurts goons more lethally and the public knows it; it is getting huge press how Spidey is now less understanding and more brutal in his handling of criminals. A great action sequence then follows when Eddie gets certain pictures of Spidey doing things he shouldn't be doing (beating up an unarmed goon to a pulp, mashing heads with greater force, whatever). But it isn't juicy enough so Eddie does some photoshopping and presents the pictures to Jameson.

Jameson is happy, but Peter looking at the photos and being internally influenced by the Symbiote, points out the obvious douchebaggery of Brock. An enraged Brock then tries to attack Peter at which point Peter basically manhandles Brock in front of the entire office, and Jonah, none too pleased with Brock's shenanigans, fires him on spot. Brock is pretty badly injured though, and coupled with how the public is now 'scared' of Spidey and his supposed ruthlessness brings Peter to decide he must discard the symbiote.

The rest of the movie plays off from Peter trying to get the symbiote off in the same church Brock goes to pray for Petey's death, discovers Peter's "secret" and ends up (following lead/taking inspiration from first three movies) kidnapping Mary Jane and holding her hostage until Spidey shows up and fights him. The spectacular fight scene pits Pete's experiences as Spider-man against an enraged man covered in the alien symbiote that has absorbed all of Peter's skills, and only Peter's sheer determination to fight and his smarts save him and MJ in the end.

A subplot of the movie would show Dr. Connors being fascinated by the symbiote sample Peter gave him, does some intriguing research, and ends up discovering how it could help him get his arm back. He mixes some lizard stuff with the symbiote's genetic structure with whatever scientific excuse the writers write about, and injects himself with it. In a key scene we see his eyes turning red, and his breath being of a soft hissing tone (setting him up for the fourth movie, etc).

What do you guys think? :)

I think you should've written Spidey-3 (except giving Peter some other motivation for the climax other than MJ getting taken... again.)
 
OT: What happened to the Venom movie that was being planned (the spinoff)?

Last I heard, it is still being developed. I don't think a director or writer has been attached. Apparently the studio doesn't want Topher Grace to reprise his role, because they don't think he's "leading man" material. My personal take? It's going to dwindle into nothingness and evaporate from consciousness soon enough.
 
OT: What happened to the Venom movie that was being planned (the spinoff)?

Last I heard, it is still being developed. I don't think a director or writer has been attached. Apparently the studio doesn't want Topher Grace to reprise his role, because they don't think he's "leading man" material. My personal take? It's going to dwindle into nothingness and evaporate from consciousness soon enough.

I share this same sentiment about the project.


OT: I do like the idea of Morbius. For those who just loathe SM:3 why are you not willing to give Raimi another shot? He made two movies that are largely loved. Other directors/actors give us less than their best and yet we don't say Bryan Singer is done just because of one flick. We don't give Spielberg crap after a modest effort. Why the "not again" crowd on Raimi? It doesn't compute.
 
From your own quote...

Sam Raimi on the Decision to Include Venom in Spider-Man 3:So I thought that’s what we should do.”

He didn't say...I fought and fought, I threatened to walk, he said, "So I thought that's what we should do. Sounds like a man who was convinced...

You may find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe but you've been served.
To quote Ted Kord: BWAH HAH HAH HAH
 
^ That always sounded like typical Hollywood spin to me. Along the lines of 'creative differences' or 'we like you, just not for this project', etc.
 
From your own quote...

Sam Raimi on the Decision to Include Venom in Spider-Man 3:So I thought that’s what we should do.”

He didn't say...I fought and fought, I threatened to walk, he said, "So I thought that's what we should do. Sounds like a man who was convinced...

You have no clue what "making nice in public means" do you?
You fully have no idea how to read between the lines. Sad.
 
From your own quote...


He didn't say...I fought and fought, I threatened to walk, he said, "So I thought that's what we should do. Sounds like a man who was convinced...

You have no clue what "making nice in public means" do you?
You fully have no idea how to read between the lines. Sad.

I know what making nice in public means...and that's what Raimi did, because he's a professional.

It doesn't mean he didn't creatively cave...which is my whole point. He did. He decided to go against his better judgment and include a character that he didn't like, at a point in the process where it perhaps wasn't the best thing to do. He did it. I don't know why you're trying to excuse Raimi's involvement in the process of making SM3...
 
What do you guys think? :)

I like it. Although, I would pitch Connors becoming the Lizard, but keep him curious about the symbiote stuff (maybe have him keep a sample for his own uses).

Also, I would have Harry come back at some point. His story was so set-up at the end of Spidey 2, that it needs exploration in this one. The coma is a good idea and gets rid of the cliche of amnesia. How his demons are dealt with, I have no idea, but as long as it leads to making amends with Peter and helping him in the end.

I would also have Peter hitting MJ being what breaks causes him to realize the black suit is bad. That was one of the things that actually worked in Spidey 3, imo.

If I may add some ideas here. I would say drop the whole engagement story line. Leave Peter and MJ in a commited relationship that clearly begins to drift away for various reasons (Peter being gone a lot; Spidey being loved more and more; Peter not comforting MJ because her career is in a rut, etc).

Also, there must be some motivating cause for Peter to fully use the black suit and become harsher. Having do it "just cause" doesn't really make for interesting drama. If there is some motivation to use it at first, then he becomes "addictied" to it, then I think makes the situation more three dimensional (again, that was another thing that worked in Spidey 3).
 
Indeed. But he has never struck me as quite 'heroic' enough. I know, Spidey's a nerd, but seriously. Either James Franco or Jake Gyllenhal would have been better.


Both great actors.

No matter the situation, line of dialogue, expression, movement... etc...
Tobey Maguire really makes Spiderman into a pussy.

The first film was bareable, the second was blah, the third really shouldn't
have been made or even invisioned. Gwen Stacy was the best part of the
entire film series. Bryce Dallas Howard is simply incredible.
 
Indeed. But he has never struck me as quite 'heroic' enough. I know, Spidey's a nerd, but seriously. Either James Franco or Jake Gyllenhal would have been better.


Both great actors.

No matter the situation, line of dialogue, expression, movement... etc...
Tobey Maguire really makes Spiderman into a pussy.

The first film was bareable, the second was blah, the third really shouldn't
have been made or even invisioned. Gwen Stacy was the best part of the
entire film series. Bryce Dallas Howard is simply incredible.

QFT. I still say they should have started out with a Dunst-played Gwen in the first movie, and have her killed by the Goblin to cement Spidey's determination as a hero as Raimi wanted, then bring in Bryce as MJ.

And thinking about it, even Topher Grace seems less like a pussy than Maguire by comparison.
 
Indeed. But he has never struck me as quite 'heroic' enough. I know, Spidey's a nerd, but seriously. Either James Franco or Jake Gyllenhal would have been better.


Both great actors.

No matter the situation, line of dialogue, expression, movement... etc...
Tobey Maguire really makes Spiderman into a pussy.

The first film was bareable, the second was blah, the third really shouldn't
have been made or even invisioned. Gwen Stacy was the best part of the
entire film series. Bryce Dallas Howard is simply incredible.


QFT. I still say they should have started out with a Dunst-played Gwen in the first movie, and have her killed by the Goblin to cement Spidey's determination as a hero as Raimi wanted, then bring in Bryce as MJ.

And thinking about it, even Topher Grace seems less like a pussy than Maguire by comparison.

Agreed on all counts. :cool:
 
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