I am not trying anything, I am answering to red shirt's statement.
Saddest Series?
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I am not trying anything, I am answering to red shirt's statement.
Not really. You are trying to ascribe ideas to the pilot and episodes that are not really present. They talk about their own lives as lacking distinctions between past, present and future. They do not say that they exist outside time. And nowhere does it say that all events are known to them at all times. Indeed, the notion of meeting the emissary, learning about him and from him, is at least inscribed in space, even if it affects the prophets through a non-linearly arranged temporal dimension.
As I said. I only objected to Red shirt's statement. Personally I think that this is pure nonsense. I think the writers themselves didn't have the slightest idea about they were talking about when they wrote the pilot or even at the end of the series.
What exactly is pure nonsense? Speaking for myself, I found the concepts in the pilot and end episode understandable and intriguing. Perhaps looking at both episodes in an abstract way instead of literal is what the writers were aiming for.
I already told you everything.
Excellent. I'm for returning to the thread topic about DS9 being the saddest series.
So am I.
I liked the final scene too. Sad and comforting each other in friendship.
Perhaps, but it is no different than folded space, Heisenberg compensators--all those things you accept to watch Star Trek--, and if the writers did not succeed in their science-fiction explanation, it is not valid to insert one ad hoc in its place.
I just said that it was nonsense and you keep saying that I inserted an ad hoc explanation. Seriously, what the...?
The ending is definitely the most depressing. And yeah, in general it's the darkest series so yeah, I would say yes.
DS9? Really?
The final scene with Kira and Jake was, indeed, poignant however I felt Siskos fate as a whole was somewhat unsatisfying. There's no real point in leaving the door open for a return if there's no plan in place to use it, it makes it meaningless (this is in the real TV show making world, now).
Assuming what Sisko said made sense. I think he talked about coming back, however it's hard to tell, it could just be some kind of metaphor, or allegory or whatever.
I wouldn't call it depressing, but it's not all that upbeat, especially before the theme was revamped in the later seasons.
Personally, I would characterize DS9 as thinky (to use the vernacular). I've noticed that people in deep thought are often seen as sad by the people who are not, then again maybe it's not what the franchise needs the most.
No, Sisko's explanation wasn't a "metaphor or allegory or whatever." He's a prophet now explaining to Kasidy in a nonlinear context of when he will return.
Kasidy: When will you be back?
Sisko: It's hard to say - maybe a year, maybe ... yesterday. But I will be back.
Kasidy: And I will be waiting.
"Yesterday" is just the touch of insanity that makes me doubt that he was speaking literally.
It's not insane, it's the prophet's non-linear mode of existence which isn't that difficult of a science fiction time traveling concept to grasp.
