I think the end is really sad. We don't know if Sisko will ever see his family again. Do you agree that DS9 had the most somber end of any series?
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Not really. Sisko gets to hang out in space heaven and will probably get to come back some day, not too shabby an outcome. If it were actually bittersweet Sisko would have just straight up died.
I think the original end would have been more sombre. The writers wanted a more final death for Sisko, but Avery Brooks had a problem with a black man leaving his newly pregnant wife behind.
The finale is very bittersweet though, which is why I like it so much. We see Jake growing up again in the flashbacks, and then he's alone on the station at the end like we saw in The Visitor; Bashir and O'Brien part ways; and of course Odo leaves Kira to go cure his people and live with them. The last bit always gets me.
As excellent as All Good Things... was, I don't think it was bittersweet, except for when Picard joins the crew for a poker game at the end. I think the DS9 finale could have been just as perfect if they didn't bodge the final Sisko/Dukat/Winn confrontation so much.
TOS was cancelled and didn't have any sort of farewell on TV, though TUC did a pretty good job on sending them on their way. That wasn't bittersweet though.
VOY's Endgame was poorly conceived, but executed fairly well i.e. it looked pretty but didn't really mean anything.
And then we have ENT's These Are The Voyages, which just leaves fans bitter. Nothing sweet there, except possible the very end scene with the three Enterprises.
The finale is very bittersweet though, which is why I like it so much. We see Jake growing up again in the flashbacks, and then he's alone on the station at the end like we saw in The Visitor; Bashir and O'Brien part ways; and of course Odo leaves Kira to go cure his people and live with them. The last bit always gets me.
As excellent as All Good Things... was, I don't think it was bittersweet, except for when Picard joins the crew for a poker game at the end. I think the DS9 finale could have been just as perfect if they didn't bodge the final Sisko/Dukat/Winn confrontation so much.
TOS was cancelled and didn't have any sort of farewell on TV, though TUC did a pretty good job on sending them on their way. That wasn't bittersweet though.
VOY's Endgame was poorly conceived, but executed fairly well i.e. it looked pretty but didn't really mean anything.
And then we have ENT's These Are The Voyages, which just leaves fans bitter. Nothing sweet there, except possible the very end scene with the three Enterprises.
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It was the perfect ending. If we had never gotten anything else with the TNG cast we were still left with the feeling that they were out there doing their thing together as one big happy family. I don't know that I have ever been more satisfied with a series finale than I have been with that one.
I also liked DS9's. It left me feeling that we could see Sisko again some day.
Yes, DS9's ending was the saddest of all the series. I never fail to get a lump in my throat watching it.
With Odo, I never quite understood why leaving Kira had to be a permanent thing. I could see him being away for a couple of years while he helped his people, but after that, u don't see why he'd need to be in the great link 24/7, with no time off, ever. It seemed as if he could have started visiting Kira after he'd gotten his people stabilized, then maybe later being with her most of the time.
And I always wished there had been a DS9 movie, having Sisko returning from the Prophets as what they'd build the plot around. Theoretically, it could still be done as it was never specified how long he would stay with them. But I know they'll never do it, as DS9 has always been treated as the red headed stepchild of Trek.
With Odo, I never quite understood why leaving Kira had to be a permanent thing. I could see him being away for a couple of years while he helped his people, but after that, u don't see why he'd need to be in the great link 24/7, with no time off, ever. It seemed as if he could have started visiting Kira after he'd gotten his people stabilized, then maybe later being with her most of the time.
And I always wished there had been a DS9 movie, having Sisko returning from the Prophets as what they'd build the plot around. Theoretically, it could still be done as it was never specified how long he would stay with them. But I know they'll never do it, as DS9 has always been treated as the red headed stepchild of Trek.
His desire to return home was so strong though, and it helped to cure his people and end the war.
Perhaps after a few years had passed. Maybe Kira would wait?
Perhaps after a few years had passed. Maybe Kira would wait?
It was a sad ending, because it ended!
I love the final episode, as it helps wrap up some of their stories and set them on a new path for the future. The last scene of Kira and Jake wordlessly looking out always catches me.
I love the final episode, as it helps wrap up some of their stories and set them on a new path for the future. The last scene of Kira and Jake wordlessly looking out always catches me.
I think that it was well established that the submergence and sublimation of ego was so extreme as to make it difficult to conceive of separating, let alone desiring to do so. We saw how difficult it was for Odo to separate from both the Female Shapeshifter and Laas.
OTOH the female shapeshifter didn't seem to have much trouble separating from the Great Link when necessary or just expedient. That said, it might be harder for Odo who has lived most of his life far away from his kin.
I'm not sure the ending was sad exactly, but certainly very poignant and meaningful. I would have liked to see Jadzia in the last episode, though, it's a shame Terry Farrell and the studio couldn't agree on terms for reusing old Jadzia footage.
Yeah, the total exclusion of Jadzia in the last episode was very disappointing. You know, to omit her wedding to Worf, etc was inexcusable.
Yes, she separates to direct to political objectives of the Founders. However, she goes to DS9 and constantly asks Odo to link with her. She describes the intimacy of sexuality as wanting compared to the Great Link. And she suggests that the she would forgo victory in the Alpha Quadrant to return Odo to the Great Link.
It's a great episode, but unlike 'All Good Things'..this. WAS the end. We had a few more adventures with the TNG crew. This was goodbye forever to DS9
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Ira Behr was gonna gut check viewers with a permanent death at the end. He went on to say that is how he interprets the end, only leaving the question of return open to satisfy Brooks, some viewers, and some network suits, IIRC.
A deft handling of the question, and par for the course.
I didn't mind Odo/Kira splitting up, because I never could quite buy her character's romantic feelings for him anyway. Though Nana Visitor sold it well - as usual.
So much great acting and writing
- and production in general - in this series, the saddest part was having it end at all.
A deft handling of the question, and par for the course.
I didn't mind Odo/Kira splitting up, because I never could quite buy her character's romantic feelings for him anyway. Though Nana Visitor sold it well - as usual.
So much great acting and writing
- and production in general - in this series, the saddest part was having it end at all.
Ira's quoted as Terry's agent's asking price was too high. STARTREK.COM : Transcript
I read somewhere that it was due to the producers not receiving permission for the Penumbra clip, but I don't see evidence of that. It could as well be that the agent's quote was higher due to it being the finale.
I agree with Odo/Kira. Their close friendship and his unrequited love felt perfect, whereas her falling for him felt understandable (Children of Time) but less passionate.
I like that it ended on top. The relaunch books proved there were good stories still to tell, but its TV ending prevented a fizzle like Nemesis, and the relaunch got to be a trudge for me several years back. It could've done a movie, but I fear it wouldn't have been as good since it wasn't planned (like B5 getting a fifth series after being mostly cancelled).
Now I'll have to rewatch it
