Sad how Wesley Crusher was messed up

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  1. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

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    I actually liked the idea of a super being(the traveler) taking an interest in him and leading him into godhood. Some people didn't like that but to me it reasonable and fine.
     
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  2. Mojochi

    Mojochi Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Wholeheartedly agree with this. I kind of felt the same way about how they wrote out Ro. Does it make sense as a solid direction to complete the character? Absolutely, but did it also seem to come out of nowhere & blindside the audience? Yes. It didn't help that both these character arcs came on the heels of one another either. All this time they're moving solidly in a direction, sometimes in opposition to the final result, & then they spring it on us

    The truth is, Star Trek was in its infancy as a serialized show. TNG had the daunting task of crossing over from an episodic format. Many of their character arcs are almost inadvertent, haphazard or thrown together at the last minute, as a result.

    Can anybody even name another show that began as strictly episodic & eventually became serialized with character arcs? It seems almost unthinkable to me, to ride that fence
     
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  3. Nightdiamond

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    His last appearance was just as weird or messed up. He was in a cut scene in Nemesis where he's wearing a Starfleet uniform and acting like a goofy girl crazy nerd kid. No explanation of when he got back, how he returned, or got back into Starfleet.

    He ended up doing the exact opposite of what he rebelled and his father told him about. Really weird scene that botched the character up more.

    They did the ascended human thing with Kes, and Sisko, too. Kes returned real messed up.
     
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  4. Dilandu

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    Tend to agree... Wesley always was the character, that series crew obviously failed to actually "insert" in universe.
     
  5. Paradise City

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    It wouldn't be hard to put Wesley in civilian kit for that movie-scene.

    Anyhow, the scene, whilst somewhat well-known, was nevertheless cut, so it's not canon. Anything could've happened to Wesley after Journey's End really.
     
  6. Mojochi

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    Had he appeared as planned in Nemesis, I agree it would've been really awkward. Thankfully, since he didn't, I don't consider he ever came back to Starfleet, or if he did, there's some real good story as to how & why
     
  7. Voth commando1

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    Maybe he wasn't really there and god-Wesley simply cast an illusion of himself.
     
  8. velour

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    Wesley should have been thankful that he got a respectable exit from the Enterprise and from Starfleet in "Journey's End".

    I remember in that episode Wesley deliberately sabotaged Worf's/Picard's plan to forcibly remove those native American colonist by secretly beaming them out. Wesley's action threw a monkey wrench in Picard's attempt to resolve that volatile situation with the Cardassians.

    Wesley should have considered himself lucky that the crisis was resolved peacefully because he would have had blood on his hands if the situation had resulted in violence or war with the Cardassians.

    I wasn't sure exactly what Wesley's status was within Starfleet, but by that action alone by Wesley on the planet, shouldn't that have resulted in at least a dishonorable discharge for Wesley from Starfleet? But of course, the favorite son of the Enterprise would never have left in disgrace. Wesley benefitted from favoritism throughout his stay on the Enterprise.
     
  9. C.E. Evans

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    I never really had a problem with Wesley in TNG, although I can understand how others might. In my own head canon, I like to think that after hanging out with the Traveler for a few years, Wesley came back in a far better place emotionally than when he left (seeing how everything fits in the bigger picture might do that). I think he was a command-division lieutenant j.g. in that cut scene from Nemesis, so I would probably have it that something occurred during his time exploring other realities that drove him back into Starfleet and back in good standing with them.
     
  10. saladdays

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    I definitely wouldn't consider Wesley returning to Starfleet as a sure thing. A cut scene in a movie isn't normally considered hard canon.
     
  11. C.E. Evans

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    Which is why it's been referred to as a cut scene, not something that's in the finished film. Still, it doesn't hurt to speculate about how Wesley came to be there in that cut scene.
     
  12. saladdays

    saladdays Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well, yeah. Not trying to take away from the speculation.
     
  13. Nakita Akita

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    I saw it more as he finally grew up and realized that being a Starfleet officer was not actually want he wanted to do.

    Really throwing your goals and dreams away at a very young age for a sexy girl?
    That shows a high level of immaturity,
    We don't know that the two of them didn't correspond and that possibly she decided that rather than stay in Starfleet she'd rather go live in a farming community with her husband and have 8 children.

    I think having him not want to be in Starfleet was rather a break through. I think most of us were expecting by the end of the series for him to be the youngest captain ever.

    He came back and acted like a jerk because he was stuck doing a "job"(life) that he no longer wanted. Being a jerk about it happens to a lot of adult people even.

    I think the Traveler being creepy is in the eye of the beholder. The traveler was supposed to be in awe of a 'lowly' human in possession of the "power" Wesley demonstrated.
    Like a teacher over a prized student.
    Other than being a bit annoying and the recipient of nepotism Wesley wasn't actually anymore messed up than the rest of the main crew.
    When given any thought at all, pretty much all 7 of them were basket cases.
     
  14. Bry_Sinclair

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    I'll admit, I never liked Wesley. He comes off as a somewhat "Mary Sue" character in that he's so great and amazing that he puts fully trained and experienced officers to shame. It's only when he gets away from the E-D that cracks start to show, with him dealing with the pressures of the Academy and having to live up to the wonder child title that he had--though this does actually make him a little more human and relatable, he has some weaknesses and failings. His ending, choosing to leave Starfleet for another life he hadn't considered is actually quite fitting, as he's no longer having to fit into the mould that he though he was meant too.
     
  15. Relayer1

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    Pretty much covers it.

    Wesley was a mistake from the start - they might just as well have had a cute robot or smart animal in the cast.

    Wheaton's pretty cool though.
     
  16. Emperor Norton

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    I imagine Gene Roddenberry behind an 80s typewriter "And that's why Gene...I mean "Wesley", was the smartest most best person in the whole universe."
     
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