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^^ sorry bad joke on Abslom Daak
Oh, yeah. I know that character from the comics. I just didn't make the connection.
Gag her and put a paper bag over her head - she's got good legs and a fabulous arse. That'd sell.
If NuWho and Classic Who can't coexist peacefully, then NuWho can just fuck off. I'm fed up with this kind of nonsensical crap. Speak to any well-respected author of Hard SF, and they'll tell you that what I'm saying is absolutely correct. If the Time Lords were destroyed across all of time and space, then all of time and space would also be completely destroyed by the ensuing mega-paradox. The Time Lords would never have existed at all from the perspective of the rest of the universe. It wouldn't even be the same universe, it would be an entirely new one where nothing from the old timeline would have any bearing at all. But the writers of the new show seem to think it does, even though it's a total absurdity. The Doctor's personal timeline and that of the rest of creation cannot be the same, no matter what the writers say.
You have this odd view of Doctor Who as being some kind of ongoing coherent science fiction universe where everything should tie up even though in fact it's a family/drama/sci-fi/adventure series which has been made in many different styles over almost 50 years.
We could ask the opinion of hard SF writers but I don't see the bloody point since Doctor Who is not and never has been a hard SF series so why would their opinions matter in the slightest.
The temporal position of the Time Lords was never spelled out in the old series - during the Omega crisis was it really saying that was Galifrey's 'current' reality. Then was the Doctor always going back to Galifrey in sequence no matter what time period he was in(and fighting all the different alien races for that matter!)? Does linear time even matter for a race of time travellers. Also Who was never consistent with who knew about the Time Lords - for the first 10 years no one seemed to then you had Brain Of Morbius and later where they seemed to have diplomatic treaties with various other races.
So up to you - keep driving yourself insane with this or accept that Who isn't the kind of one big coherent sci-fi universe that you want it to be.
We could ask the opinion of hard SF writers but I don't see the bloody point since Doctor Who is not and never has been a hard SF series so why would their opinions matter in the slightest.
The temporal position of the Time Lords was never spelled out in the old series - during the Omega crisis was it really saying that was Galifrey's 'current' reality. Then was the Doctor always going back to Galifrey in sequence no matter what time period he was in(and fighting all the different alien races for that matter!)? Does linear time even matter for a race of time travellers. Also Who was never consistent with who knew about the Time Lords - for the first 10 years no one seemed to then you had Brain Of Morbius and later where they seemed to have diplomatic treaties with various other races.
So up to you - keep driving yourself insane with this or accept that Who isn't the kind of one big coherent sci-fi universe that you want it to be.
Okay, I've reached the conclusion that the new series of Dr Who is not a continuation of the classic series, despite what some people would have us believe. This new show takes place in a totally alternate continuity where all Time Lord activity is, and always was, confined to the timeline before 2005. It's the only sensible explanation. The Doctor is able to visit future eras beyond the 21st century because he's experienced Gallifrey's destruction. Before that, he would've been able to go to any point before 2005, but not after. The thing is though, as it's not really the same universe I grew up with and adored all those years, for me, it's not really worth watching. It's just some silly sci-fi/fantasy show that just happens to share its name with another, far superior show from the past.
I didn't watch tonight's episode, by the way. My folks did, and they've told me it wasn't very good anyway, so I've not missed much.
I didn't watch tonight's episode, by the way. My folks did, and they've told me it wasn't very good anyway, so I've not missed much.
WTF? This is what I thought about you EJA. You've contradicted yourself now in your other posts and it's all become clear. I simply do not know how one could conclude that Classic Who and Current Who can not coexist with each other. There have been a number of examples over the last six years that would prove otherwise. The more logical explanation is that you EJA are a Classic Who fan who does not like what Current Who has done and that's fine. I'm not sure why you haven't been posting this in the first place.
Took you long enough.
You know, the classic series has plenty of continuity issues too!
There's UNIT dating (a problem created by Pyramid Of Mars and Mawdryn Undead) The messy timelines of the Cybermen and Daleks, the problem with the second Doctor in the multi-Doctor specials (How come he remembers stuff from War Games when he regenerated immeadiatly after?) the multiple Atlantises, The "Half human" thing, the Doctor's incarnations before Hartnell (Brain of Morbius) the Matrix having people physically enter it instead of connecting to it mentally (Trial of a Time Lord). In short,the series both old and new has never had a fluid continuity. Even the best attempt to harmonize everything-Lance Parkin's chronology books-have a lot of conjecture.
There's UNIT dating (a problem created by Pyramid Of Mars and Mawdryn Undead) The messy timelines of the Cybermen and Daleks, the problem with the second Doctor in the multi-Doctor specials (How come he remembers stuff from War Games when he regenerated immeadiatly after?) the multiple Atlantises, The "Half human" thing, the Doctor's incarnations before Hartnell (Brain of Morbius) the Matrix having people physically enter it instead of connecting to it mentally (Trial of a Time Lord). In short,the series both old and new has never had a fluid continuity. Even the best attempt to harmonize everything-Lance Parkin's chronology books-have a lot of conjecture.
The writers of the numerous spin-off literature have come up with ingenious and plausible ways to solve a number of the problems you cite. Gerry Davis wrote the wonderful "history" book Cybermen where he fits together all the different appearances of the Cybermen in the classic series so they make sense; the Second Doctor remembers his trial in the specials because those appearances are from between the end of The War Games and his regeneration (i.e. the Season 6B theory); a popular idea regarding those pre-Hartnell Doctors at one time was that they were sub-incarnations of the Other, the being who was eventually reincarnated as the First Doctor. I have yet to hear a theory which convincingly straightens out the relationship between Gallifreyan time and the rest of the universe's timeline after the Time War.
And can I just say, Gerry Davis' Cybermen is one of my all-time favourite DW books, precisely because Davis makes a real attempt to rationalise and reconcile things in the series which initially appeared to be at odds with one another. He doesn't just go "F**k it, none of it's real, I'll just write what I want." For me, this makes all those old Cyberman stories more enjoyable, because now they have a solid framework, the narrative holes have been patched up. It makes them feel more real.
Honestly, I'll take a stronger sense of series harmony over gratuitious "wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" and miniskirt-wearing kissograms any day.
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Yet, I can see what would get a poor soul into Doctor who. It has to do with a lack of acceptance. A huge lack of belonging and desire to interact with other human beings. This mental disorder of delving into an inexcusably tawdry form of escape just goes to show how much it hurts for some people to be alive. I can sympathize, but don’t much care to leave it be that what some people do is acceptable by any social standard. When all a person does is gawk at a screen with animated characters for most of his/her life, they are unmistakably degenerates.
Liked it so much you forgot Gerry Davis wasn't actually the author, hmm?
David Banks (who played the Cyberleader) wrote the book, Davis just wrote the foreword.
With levels of reading comprehension like this, it's not surprising you have trouble with concepts like Gallifrey being outside regular time.
Liked it so much you forgot Gerry Davis wasn't actually the author, hmm?
David Banks (who played the Cyberleader) wrote the book, Davis just wrote the foreword.
With levels of reading comprehension like this, it's not surprising you have trouble with concepts like Gallifrey being outside regular time.
Ooooh, aren't we a funny cleverclogs?
Liked it so much you forgot Gerry Davis wasn't actually the author, hmm?
David Banks (who played the Cyberleader) wrote the book, Davis just wrote the foreword.
With levels of reading comprehension like this, it's not surprising you have trouble with concepts like Gallifrey being outside regular time.
Ooooh, aren't we a funny cleverclogs?
If you consider being able to read an author's name on the front cover of a book as being a "cleverclogs", then God help you.
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