As far as i remember, it wasn’t referenced that the dilithium generates power, only that it is radioactive.
S03 E13: Why does USS Discovery inside looks like Borg cube?
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They draw power from the crystal.
Can you quote where they say that? I really *don’t* remember it.
I was misremembering as i was looking at two different episodes. The Alternative Factor has comments about drawing power from dilithium. Now, that can be interpreted differently now but I feel the intent is there.
Dialog from the episode:
MASTERS: (A woman in a blue uniform) Report on the dilithium crystals, Captain.
KIRK: Yes.
MASTERS: Whatever that phenomenon was, it drained almost all of our crystals completely. It could mean trouble.
KIRK: You have a talent for understatement, Lieutenant. Without full crystal power, our orbit will begin to decay in ten hours. Re-amplify immediately.
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/20.htm
At the end of the day, you've got to give the creative team some licence to play fast and loose with visual elements if it enhances the story. If you watch the footage again, it's really not that bad second time round.I was fine with the earlier times DIS showed the funhouse turboshafts. I just told myself "Meh -- it's just a stylized/metaphorical/symbolic representation of the inner workings of the ship and not meant to be a realistic depiction."
Well, they blew that rationalization out of the water.
I see, thanks. But even so, a very ambiguous phrase in one of the widely recognized most nonsensical episodes, and as you say it can be interpreted in many ways.
...One of which is that dilithium comes in two states: naturally inert, and "amplified" or "energized". The former survives a Burn just fine. The latter goes kaboom in a Burn, but you can't run a warp engine with inert dilithium, just like Kirk couldn't in "Alternative Factor".
It's just that Kirk had better circuit breakers, so his ship just stalled instead of blowing up when his dilithium went inert.
(Or then those ships of old were in the habit of shutting down the warp core when not warping - which is also the excuse Saru uses when pretending to be a Burn survivor in "People of Earth"!)
Timo Saloniemi
It's just that Kirk had better circuit breakers, so his ship just stalled instead of blowing up when his dilithium went inert.
(Or then those ships of old were in the habit of shutting down the warp core when not warping - which is also the excuse Saru uses when pretending to be a Burn survivor in "People of Earth"!)
Timo Saloniemi
makes sense to me.
...Although I worded it badly: it's explicit that in a Burn, energized dilithium goes inert, hence the kaboom.
"Alternative Factor" shows a separate recuperation facility for tired dilithium, but in ST2:TWoK, energizing happens online, in a Main Energizer or several, and allows warp power to be restored as soon as this doodad starts doing its job. Ah, the wonders of technological advancement...
Dilithium on the Verubin planet, which the heroes for some reason dub Theta Zeta (thus perhaps revealing something about the way Starfleet names new planets or their stars in general), would have been inert and thus didn't Burn. Ditto with Earth's reserves. Would the dilithium in that fancy hold of USS Discovery be inert or energized? Probably the former, as nothing blew up during the mini-Burn in "There is a Tide".
Timo Saloniemi
"Alternative Factor" shows a separate recuperation facility for tired dilithium, but in ST2:TWoK, energizing happens online, in a Main Energizer or several, and allows warp power to be restored as soon as this doodad starts doing its job. Ah, the wonders of technological advancement...
Dilithium on the Verubin planet, which the heroes for some reason dub Theta Zeta (thus perhaps revealing something about the way Starfleet names new planets or their stars in general), would have been inert and thus didn't Burn. Ditto with Earth's reserves. Would the dilithium in that fancy hold of USS Discovery be inert or energized? Probably the former, as nothing blew up during the mini-Burn in "There is a Tide".
Timo Saloniemi
Nonsensical or not it is still part of it. I would be curious to see what the writers thought.
it’s part of it but it’s far from being clear in-episode and it can easily fit with the rest of the established canon.
It fits fine as intended too. Is dilithium as a power source that unpalatable?
since it isn’t that clear that was what they intended and this interpretation would contradict literally every other time dilithium is seen...why go for that interpretation?
Plain reading of presented information.
The Kelvin Universe Enterprise (like all of them!) requires a lot of fudging to make everything fit. The shuttlebay is 60m across and requires a length of 1200m (the official size and scale of the bridge window etc is 725m), the brewery much the same. But, they managed to fudge it and make it look plausible here:
And even in this fan made version which came first:
I'd love to see someone try something similar with the USS Discovery.
I just think the ship is hollow, the rooms and corridors we see are all along the exterior where the window rows are. Even that doesn't fit (I'd love an episode where a spore jump glitch materializes the ship floating in it's own turbolift funhouse!) but it's the best I've got.
And even in this fan made version which came first:
I'd love to see someone try something similar with the USS Discovery.
That's the shuttlebay. The space in the centre are the (off centre) engineering rooms.It seems they got a new and larger systems hub further aft
I just think the ship is hollow, the rooms and corridors we see are all along the exterior where the window rows are. Even that doesn't fit (I'd love an episode where a spore jump glitch materializes the ship floating in it's own turbolift funhouse!) but it's the best I've got.
but there is literally nothing saying that dilithium cristals are what power the ship in what you post. There is nothing that says it doesn’t *in those words* either, sure, but elsewhere there is.
I mean it feels fairly simple to me. In Elaan of Troyius Scotty also says without the power from the crystals they can't fire weapons.
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