Russell T Davies yes/no

[Stevil2001]

That almost makes it worse...

What do you mean, almost??? It does make it worse!! Sheesh! If you're going to have a series long mystery/arc/whatever, at least plan it out so you as the writer actually know what the hell is going on IN YOUR TV SHOW!!!

If there's any show that shouldn't have a master plan, it's Doctor Who.

 

[Timby]

That almost makes it worse...

What do you mean, almost??? It does make it worse!! Sheesh! If you're going to have a series long mystery/arc/whatever, at least plan it out so you as the writer actually know what the hell is going on IN YOUR TV SHOW!!!

If there's any show that shouldn't have a master plan, it's Doctor Who.

It should when it's desperately trying to imitate Buffy, as Davies did.

 

[DimesDan]

That almost makes it worse...

What do you mean, almost??? It does make it worse!! Sheesh! If you're going to have a series long mystery/arc/whatever, at least plan it out so you as the writer actually know what the hell is going on IN YOUR TV SHOW!!!

Few people complain about the lack of a plan when it came to Battlestar Galactica. In any event the end of that first season was altered a few times making any real attempt at a plan pretty hard to pull off.

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

 

[Butters]

What do you mean, almost??? It does make it worse!! Sheesh! If you're going to have a series long mystery/arc/whatever, at least plan it out so you as the writer actually know what the hell is going on IN YOUR TV SHOW!!!

Few people complain about the lack of a plan when it came to Battlestar Galactica. In any event the end of that first season was altered a few times making any real attempt at a plan pretty hard to pull off.

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

Yes.

 

[Winterwind]

Few people complain about the lack of a plan when it came to Battlestar Galactica. In any event the end of that first season was altered a few times making any real attempt at a plan pretty hard to pull off.

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

Yes.

Well, that and the whole female Starbuck thing... Which Dirk Benedict had a very interesting thing to say about. Well, maybe not interesting but... erm... forget I mentioned it.

But yes, it's usually a good idea to have an idea about your idea. ENT didn't with the Temporal Cold War and Future Guy and that really was quite lame.

 

[Starkers]

What do you mean, almost??? It does make it worse!! Sheesh! If you're going to have a series long mystery/arc/whatever, at least plan it out so you as the writer actually know what the hell is going on IN YOUR TV SHOW!!!

Few people complain about the lack of a plan when it came to Battlestar Galactica. In any event the end of that first season was altered a few times making any real attempt at a plan pretty hard to pull off.

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

Certainly one thing that annoyed me about the show at times

 

[DWF]

Few people complain about the lack of a plan when it came to Battlestar Galactica. In any event the end of that first season was altered a few times making any real attempt at a plan pretty hard to pull off.

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

Certainly one thing that annoyed me about the show at times

Yeah that was one thing along with the final five human Cylons and Starbuck coming back from the dead. I can't say the lack of a plan was the main conplaint.

 

[Sci]

Hmm, given how much of a clown Tennant acted at times that's a curious comparison to make...especially given that Smith seems to be playing the lonely soul just as well, and the clownish elements of his personality seem natural, whereas with Tennant it increasingly seems like he was attention grabbing, which is a shame, Tennant was a better Doctor in his quieter moments.

By contrast, I think that both their clownish aspects seem completely natural for their interpretations/incarnations of the Doctor.

Similarly the stars going out, why was that again?

The Reality Bomb had gone off and was dissolving stars, solar systems, galaxies, etc. (Apparently in the alternate timeline of Donna's World, some planet other than Earth was used in the Medusa Cascade.)

Being honest the Crack made no more sense than the average RTD arc. That said for me the biggest, most wonderful edge of the seat moment has to be Amy sitting in her wedding dress, looking at a strange blue book and the sudden, wonderful realisation of just what the Doctor had been saying all those years ago.

I loved that scene, too, but I remember thinking that it was trying for the sort of heightened emotion that we got in "Last of the Time Lords" as the Doctor was revived, yet didn't reach that same level of joy at the Doctor's return. (Yes, that's right, I just compared "Last of the Time Lords"'s finale favorably to "The Big Bang"'s.)

 

[Starkers]

I don't think I'm every going to like that scene (Tennant reborn) but ironically the way the Doctor is revitalised probably does make more sense than his return in big Bang...I just prefer the Big Bang ending a whole lot more!

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

Certainly one thing that annoyed me about the show at times

Yeah that was one thing along with the final five human Cylons and Starbuck coming back from the dead. I can't say the lack of a plan was the main conplaint.

For me it was when Roslin survived cancer that made me realise the show wasn't all that, they'd obviously painted themselves into a corner and had to come up with something lame to save her. It was interesting how many things they'd suddenly remembered they still had to resolve by the finale as well! and the ending...saw it coming from the off and I really hoped they weren't going to do it. I think they should have ended it after they found Earth as a radioactive wasteland.

Its a good show, but I don't think I could ever call something that utterly bereft of joy truly great.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Similarly the stars going out, why was that again?

The Reality Bomb had gone off and was dissolving stars, solar systems, galaxies, etc. (Apparently in the alternate timeline of Donna's World, some planet other than Earth was used in the Medusa Cascade.)

Um, no, the stars went out at the end of Pandorica because the cracks had spread throughout the entire universe and swallowed everything from the (original) big bang onwards. Nothing to do with Davros' reality bomb.

 

[Stevil2001]

If there's any show that shouldn't have a master plan, it's Doctor Who.

It should when it's desperately trying to imitate Buffy, as Davies did.

Doctor Who was trying to imitate Buffy"?

I loved that scene, too, but I remember thinking that it was trying for the sort of heightened emotion that we got in "Last of the Time Lords" as the Doctor was revived, yet didn't reach that same level of joy at the Doctor's return. (Yes, that's right, I just compared "Last of the Time Lords"'s finale favorably to "The Big Bang"'s.)

I'd agree with that ten times over. The end of "The Big Bang" made me go "oh, that's clever," and I admired it from that standpoint, but I didn't feel anything.

Similarly the stars going out, why was that again?

The Reality Bomb had gone off and was dissolving stars, solar systems, galaxies, etc. (Apparently in the alternate timeline of Donna's World, some planet other than Earth was used in the Medusa Cascade.)

Um, no, the stars went out at the end of Pandorica because the cracks had spread throughout the entire universe and swallowed everything from the (original) big bang onwards. Nothing to do with Davros' reality bomb.

I believe that the original question was in reference to "Turn Left."

 

[Starkers]

Yeah I was talking about Turn Left...

 

[Neroon]

Since I just "voted" in the MOffat discussion, I figured I ought to do the same here.

Rose - Yes
The End of the World - Yes
Aliens of London/World War Three - no
The Long Game - no
Boom Town - no
Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways - Yes
The Christmas Invasion - Yes
New Earth - no
Tooth and Claw - Yes
Love and Monsters - Yes
Army of Ghosts/Doomsday - Yes
The Runaway Bride - no
Smith and Jones - yes
Gridlock - yes
Utopia - yes
The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords - yes/no
Voyage of the Damned - Yes
Partners in Crime - no
Midnight - yes
Turn Left - yes
The Stolen Earth/Journey's End - Yes/meh
The Next Doctor - Yes
Planet of the Dead - Yes
The Waters of Mars - YES!
The End of Time - barely "Yes"

 

[The Castellan]

Well, here's what I did not like that he did.

1: The Time War
2: Wiping out the Timelords
3: Making the 10th Doctor so apologetic and angst ridden (I soooo hate "I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry!" every time someone got snuffed out)
4: The Cybusmen, these are not Cybermen....just sad, stomping Ironman lookalikes. And I refuse to believe that Lumic made that many of them that they appear in EVERY Cyber story....bring back the Mondas Cybermen, please.
5: Almost every female companion trying to jump the Doctor's bones.
6: In case of big problem, make Sonic screw driver do 100 different things.
7: Tardis consoles made out of JUNK.

 

[The Castellan]

I was under the impression that the main grip people have with BSG was the lack of a plan.

Yes.

Well, that and the whole female Starbuck thing... Which Dirk Benedict had a very interesting thing to say about. Well, maybe not interesting but... erm... forget I mentioned it.

But yes, it's usually a good idea to have an idea about your idea. ENT didn't with the Temporal Cold War and Future Guy and that really was quite lame.

I'm still wanting to know who future guy was.

 

[Cyke101]

3: Making the 10th Doctor so apologetic and angst ridden (I soooo hate "I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry!" every time someone got snuffed out)

I'm wondering if this was the original plan for Nine and Eccleston's relatively abrupt departure meant transferring over the angst to Tennant. The angst would seem to fit Nine's dark persona and rarely-jolly survivalist attitude more than Ten's geek chic and almost-ridiculous exuberance for the little things.

 

[Starkers]

6: In case of big problem, make Sonic screw driver do 100 different things.

I think Moffat has increased its abilities even more now!

 

[The Castellan]

3: Making the 10th Doctor so apologetic and angst ridden (I soooo hate "I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry!" every time someone got snuffed out)

I'm wondering if this was the original plan for Nine and Eccleston's relatively abrupt departure meant transferring over the angst to Tennant. The angst would seem to fit Nine's dark persona and rarely-jolly survivalist attitude more than Ten's geek chic and almost-ridiculous exuberance for the little things.

Dunno, Doctor #9 really did not do that, he was very unapologetic, another reason I wish he was there longer.

 

[Sci]

Here are a few things RTD did that I like:

1: The Time War
2: Wiping out the Time Lords
3: Making the 10th Doctor so apologetic and angst ridden
4: The Cybus Cybermen - so much better than the men in tin foil suits
5: Acknowledging the inherent sexual and romantic tension that comes into play when a women runs away with a man to live with him in his car
6: Tardis consoles made out of junk.

 

[Whofan]

The material in the 80s suits is not tin foil-it's some kind of material also used by astronaughts. (In fact Cybernaught is another title for the 80s Cybermen from David Banks) You might as well say the Stormtroopers from Star Wars were made from egg cartons.

Plus the original Cybermen were made by a guy who understood cybernetics-Doctor Pedler.



The Time lords appeared in many classic stories, although there were a few flops here and there .