What do you mean? Do you know someone who does?
Please, do tell. I'm quite interested to know.
The man was writing for a flagship BBC show that has a history of being one of the most imaginative and mind-expanding shows about ideas ever. And even among us fans, the most kindly disposed who'd be loathe to criticise it (because we're all scared of it being taken away again), he can only manage a 50% approval rating on the whole?
And yet the audience appreciation indexes for his tenure were usually in the 80s or above, and his ratings
grew every season from "Rose" up to "The End of Time, Part Two," and the show won numerous industry and critical awards.
So all that proves is that the die-hard type fans who post here at the TrekBBS are on average more finnicky than the actual audience.
Or that we're more discerning than the transients who just tune for some CGI explosions or to wet themselves over the handsome Mr Tennant; either way, most people won't give it a second thought once it's over, unlike how we do.
Considering each episode costs about a million quid and the show is responsible for much profit for the BBC, you'd hope for a bit better than that from the people who know about it and aren't the average transient fuckwits who'd probably switch over if Ant and Dec were on the other side.
You enjoy insulting people you've never met on the basis of what TV shows they watch, don't you? It's a terribly important thing, what TV shows someone watches, so I don't blame you. Why, it's right up there with kindness, generosity, and moral integrity.
I mean, I suppose there's always the possibility that they just have different tastes than you and that one's TV preferences are no more an indicator of intellectual or aesthetic superiority than are one's tastes in food -- steak or pasta? -- but that would be silly. 'Cos then you wouldn't be able to look down on complete strangers.
I'm tempted to look for a straw man demotivational poster, but they're never that funny so just pretend there's one here.
I said that he criticizes himself and his work; I did not say he apologizes for anything. And, no, I'm not going to go through a five-or-more-hundred page book to find specific examples to satisfy some guy on the Internet. Borrow a copy from your local library if you're that interested in the possibility that your vague perception of a man you've never met based upon his appearances at P.R. junkets might be mistaken.
Apologies, self-criticisms...semantics. You know what I'm getting at. Self-criticism means the confession of a mistake/mistakes, and I was curious as to what specific things he may have highlighted. Being as you've read the book and say they're there, I thought you might remember, but clearly not. There's no shame in that, but I'd appreciate a little less snideness on your part.
As I say, going from every interview or appearance I've ever seen him make, the idea of him admitting a mistake seems completely at odds with what I've seen of the man.
Right, because of course P.R. is going to give you the kind of insight into his writing process and personal character that a five-hundred-or-more page book full of correspondence does.
Considering he's responsible for both the book and every smug boast he puts out on Confidential, I don't expect they're that different. In fact, I'd have thought confession of wrongdoing in his book would have been big enough news that it would have been reported in sci-fi media, whereas the biggest news seemed to be him fancying Russell Tovey. Making Captain Jackass even more of a wish fulfilment.
Right, anyway, here's the up to the latest results of our RTD likes:
captcalhoun - 96%
Kelso - 96%
RoJoHen - 96%
Canadave - 92%
Steve Mollmann - 92%
iguana torrone - 88%
Silnet Bob - 88%
Alidar Jarok -84%
Count Zero - 84%
Jax - 84%
Kestrel - 84%
Sci - 84%
Bob the Skutter - 80%
Haggis and tatties - 80%
Pseudo - 80%
McIntee - 80%
Hanukkah Solo - 76%
HappyDayRiot - 76%
Ood Sigma - 76%
VDCNI - 76%
Admiral Young - 72%
Dennis - 72%
mimic - 72%
Saul - 72%
The - 68%
Gep Malakai - 64%
Phily B - 64%
Starkers - 64%
Takeru - 60%
AdmiralGarak - 56%
Bacl - 52%
I am not Spock - 52%
Shatnertage - 52%
Kitty Worrier - 48%
Timby - 44%
Shazam! - 32%
Captain Pike - 28%
Josan - 24%
Bones - 20%
captain crow - 0%
Adding all scores together: 2708. Divided by the number of entries (40), this yields an average score of 67.7%. Not necessarily as large as I imagine one might prefer, but much more than the "50% approval rating on the whole" you claimed he'd gotten.
Someone else said 50%, I was working with that. If you're that pernickety about something like that, it's even more of a paradox how you cope with the plot holes foisted upon us by the man you insist on defending.
^ The general opinion doesn't matter, RTD is still shit because he decreeds so
. I wonder what the results would be for Moffat scripts ? in a poll like this.
...no...
For about the dozenth time, RTD is shit because of the flaws I explain in his stories. You're the one who keeps going on about how you don't care because it's popular, like someone who doesn't understand.
I think you should be grateful and consider yourself indebted to me for bringing up this topic in a new and interesting way, allowing the most interesting and analytical discussion this forum has seen for some time during the usually fallow period we have between the series finale and Christmas special.
I'll forego getting down on bended knees and then prostrating myself before you for your supreme generosity
but I'll give you this - this is the first DW thread I've posted on in months. The post-Big Bang/pre-Christmas Carol lull has been interminable. As no doubt will be the period between Christmas Day and whenever series 6 starts. You'd better think of something for that one too.
Thing usually pick up after Christmas, because then we move onto spoilers and rumours about the coming series, which is quite a few episodes. I was planning a Moffat version of this for then though, being as we'll have another of his stories to add to the list.
Perhaps something dedicated to exploring how much Bones hates RTD? We haven't done that before
It would be more of an interesting thread if I didn't know it wasn't going to be the last. Bones will find some other way to bring up how much he hates RTD, despite the fact we all know it. I mean I know everyone gets a little obssesive about things but the joke just really isn't funny anymore.
No one's forced you to post in this thread, and I don't see you making up any better ones. Clearly I was right that it would make for a good discussion during the forum's current lull. It's a shame you have to let your strange, petty personal dislike of me colour your view this way.
Hey. I hate RTD too. Possibly as much or more than Bones.
It appears you like him 4% more than I do, but I won't let it get in the way of our friendship
spiteful Manc binman...gurning mockney...thick bimbo chav
Bones is really stretching my vocabulary. Now I just need to find someone else who would understand what I'm talking about. Though a bit of Googlese, I've been able to figure out most of them. Still can't get a good read on what "po-faced" (seen it in some of the DW commentary sites) really means, though.
I tend to take po-faced to mean stuffy and disapproving. Not that I hear it used much. Perhaps I should integrate it into my personal lexicon, it's quite funny as these phrases go.
And I've got no problem with Bones bringing this up in its own thread. It's a new way of looking at RTD's legacy that, for me, is enlightening in its own way.
I'm glad you appreciate me
How about threads like this for Holmes and Saward? That might help pass the time until A Christmas Carol. While we're examining the legacy of writers critical to the show, why not take it back a bit farther?
Could do. That said, it's less than a week to Christmas now.
Merry Christmas everyone, by the way.
Hey everyone's entitled to whatever opinion of RTD they want, its the fact that Bones goes on and on and on and on and on about it that's so wearisome. I don't really like Martha and think Freema's a poor actress, I don't find the need to try and work this into every thread I write on the forum though. It's Bone's obsessiveness not his opinions that annoys. Hell he's so obsessed I begining to think maybe he's secretly in love with Russell? I mean is this any different from the little boy pulling on a girl's pigtails?
Actually this would explain a great deal...
Oh boohoohoo.
And don't call me a bone
As someone else mentioned, why don't we just create threads about JNT or Saward, in the same vein? Russel is in the past, just like them...
Can if you want. Something to talk about, innit. Like I say, while it's not on telly, it gets quiet around here. Russell's era ended properly almost exactly a year ago, and while he is gone, his approach very much shaped the 21st century version of Who (if there'd been no RTD, I can't imagine Moffat would ever have written The Big Bang). This is an interesting way of gauging opinion is all, now that it's been a while.
