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Russell T. Davies Returns to Doctor Who as New Showrunner

Most of the money seems to have gone on the giant warehouse, er I mean Tardis set, which frankly I'm not hugely fond of anyway, I mean it's better than Whittaker's, a lot better, but that's the only modern Tardis set I prefer it to.
Yeah, the new one's pretty low on my list of modern TARDISes too.
Wasn't the Whittaker era supposed to be better funded, or using much better camera technology. It certainly seemed more expansive, but then oddly that was just another thing that seemed to have a counter effect, the screen looked very empty at times.

The production team can be clever as well, reuse sets the way they had the Satellite 5 sets used in 3/13 episodes in Series 1. Piggyback on the production of a period drama so you can share costs for one episode etc.

Hell here's a radical idea as well, why not go back to 25/30 minute episodes? (I'm unsure if this would actually save money but logically it should) there are plenty of shows that prove you can pack a lot of plot into that time frame if you're writing is good enough (take Lower Decks, Skeleton Crew, many sitcoms etc, plus of course the SJA!)

Again what would you rather have?

No Who
6 x 45/60 minute episodes
10/12 x 25/30 minute episodes
I'd be fine with 10/12 30ish minute episodes, and the Star Wars D+ series prove that a these kind of sci-fi shows can survive with shorter episodes.
Aren’t they doing that already? ;)
Yeah, they do seem to spend an awful lot of time on modern Earth when you consider that they have all of time and space available to them.

Have they ever said when The Doctor was born? I know he's thousands of years old, but the whole time traveler thing means he could have been born at any time, so could very well have been born centuries in our future or millions of years ago, or even yesterday.
 
Have they ever said when The Doctor was born? I know he's thousands of years old, but the whole time traveler thing means he could have been born at any time, so could very well have been born centuries in our future or millions of years ago, or even yesterday.
There seems to be a sort of “Gallifrey Mean Time” that time-travelers abide by (except for River Song) that’s separate from the normal flow of time, so while the Doctor was born 2000-ish years ago (allegedly), that doesn’t meaningly correspond to a date in conventional history.
 
Yeah, the new one's pretty low on my list of modern TARDISes too.

I'd be fine with 10/12 30ish minute episodes, and the Star Wars D+ series prove that a these kind of sci-fi shows can survive with shorter episodes.

Yeah, they do seem to spend an awful lot of time on modern Earth when you consider that they have all of time and space available to them.

Have they ever said when The Doctor was born? I know he's thousands of years old, but the whole time traveler thing means he could have been born at any time, so could very well have been born centuries in our future or millions of years ago, or even yesterday.

Gallifrey is out of time compared to the rest of causality. The Doctor implies the Time Lords (or at least the Gallifreyans, if their earlier space empire counted) had six million years of absolute power but exactly where "Doctor is born" fits is more easily answered relative to Gallifrey's history (though less so accounting for the Timeless Child or, if you don't like that, the Cartmel Masterplan version with the Other :) ) than it is regarding "which human year was the Doctor born?".
 
There seems to be a sort of “Gallifrey Mean Time” that time-travelers abide by (except for River Song) that’s separate from the normal flow of time, so while the Doctor was born 2000-ish years ago (allegedly), that doesn’t meaningly correspond to a date in conventional history.

I think the closest we get to a point linking GMT to Earth History is that Omega’s first incursion took place in the seventies (ish, see Unit dating) and his second in the early eighties. The amount of time between these events for Gallifrey and Earth *might*be similar, but the amount of time for the Doctor himself (involved in both) likely isn’t. Not least as the first incursion would occur three times across his timestream.

It does mean, that ignoring all the later silliness, that given the Fourth Doctor stated he was roughly 750 years old, The Doctor would have been born in the early to mid 1200s Earth time.

Which as a correlation means that ‘present day earth’ probably isn’t, as later ages given for later Doctors would place his chronological ‘now’ from that point a fair few centuries in our future. Which oddly ties neatly with the old idea of himself and Susan are from a point in our future (I think mooted as the 29th Century, but can’t remember. Neither can they, so hey Ho.)

This assumes of course that there wasn’t funky time stuff going on with Omega, and given the first incursion happens in the beginning of a very fluid time for Earth (unit dating, and the clumsy way flux tried to address that…) may well be the case.
 
There seems to be a sort of “Gallifrey Mean Time” that time-travelers abide by (except for River Song) that’s separate from the normal flow of time, so while the Doctor was born 2000-ish years ago (allegedly), that doesn’t meaningly correspond to a date in conventional history.

Gallifrey is out of time compared to the rest of causality. The Doctor implies the Time Lords (or at least the Gallifreyans, if their earlier space empire counted) had six million years of absolute power but exactly where "Doctor is born" fits is more easily answered relative to Gallifrey's history (though less so accounting for the Timeless Child or, if you don't like that, the Cartmel Masterplan version with the Other :) ) than it is regarding "which human year was the Doctor born?".
I guess I should have known the answer would be more complicated that just he was born in the year ____.
 
I definitely prefer having fewer but longer episodes. 25 minutes is just too short to get into for a drama. And I'd like it if they had more two parters. One story would be 2 X 50 minutes. That should save some money too.
 
IIRC, most people in The Biz have said the belief that two parters save money is in fact a myth.
Interesting. I would have thought that it would save on sets at the very least. But perhaps not on actors and SFx, which could be the larger expenses I suppose.

Well, I'd still prefer the two part stories anyway! I like giving stories time to breathe.
 
Provisional titles for series 2



  1. The Robot Revolution
  2. (This one has already changed two times) Lux Effect
  3. Five Miles Deep
  4. Lucky Day
  5. Contraction
  6. Eurovision of the Stars
  7. Our Glorious City
  8. To Destroy All Flesh
 
It's not necessarily a musical!

The Daleks could be using it to subvert the Galactic Federation!

BF have some daft titles that turn out to be excellent stories too.

Big Finish did a Top Gear themed episode. They had the good sense to not call it Top Gear.
It can date an episode hard (look at the season one finale… all those cameos were fun at the time, but it’s really obviously of it’s time) and if you start making some sort of a future intergalactic federation resemble Europe… well, how does that work without colonisation? What are we accidentally going to be saying about Europe? Some solar system out there with no humans where somehow every planet has some form of life might work…
Thing is, you can have some kind of Eurovision analogue as a gag — but say a future ‘Solarvison’ with Ice Warriors ripping their skirts off, and Silurians singing traditional folk songs but with an EDM beat is the kind of thing that works in the books or audios where you don’t have to make and see the potentially cringe inducing visuals.

It would be an astonishingly bad idea to make into a modern campy (ok, campier…) Peladon story, and even *if* that can be made to work, you *just don’t put it in the title*.

I’m not even going to mention that RTD will have a specific angle on Eurovision, informed but *his personal cultural standpoint* that isn’t necessarily the same for everyone who takes part in actual Eurovision. (In fact, the title Eurovision is copyright I believe, so that’s gonna have taken some wrangling)

This is probably another idea he had in lockdown after seeing what was popular on Netflix.
 
Unsurprisingly, Episode 6 is the one with Rylan Clark in it. And Russel said about it, "Episode 6 next year, watch episode 6 next year – it's a riot. My God, it's a riot. It's hilarious."


Can't wait to see how cuddly transphobe Gareth Roberts reacts when he finds out about it. What's the legal situation with Big Finish scripts; do the writers retain copyright on the parts of them that aren't explicitly owned by the BBC?

 
It can date an episode hard (look at the season one finale… all those cameos were fun at the time, but it’s really obviously of it’s time)
Eurovision's been around since the 1950s. So this won't quite be the same as S1's tribute to flavor of the month reality TV shows.
and if you start making some sort of a future intergalactic federation resemble Europe… well, how does that work without colonisation? What are we accidentally going to be saying about Europe?
Isn't it a bit late to be worrying about that sort of thing in Doctor Who? And besides, is it really any different or worse than Star Trek depicting galactic civilization as Space America?
In fact, the title Eurovision is copyright I believe, so that’s gonna have taken some wrangling
The episode title wouldn't have been made public like this unless that wrangling had already been taken care of.
 
Cat Valente's novel Space Opera is about a kind of Eurovision in space and it's excellent.

Not heard of it, but that kind of lines up with my views really — it’s a novel, not a visual episode of an existing series and it doesn’t have it in the title.
As a shorthand peacekeeper title, it’s fine, but as an episode title to air? It’s shonky.
It would be hopefully of me to assume that with it we’re going to get the Monster of Peladon: The Musical at this point.
 
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