"Rose" - Ninth's first adventure?

[Doctorwhovian]

I think they squeezed a novel between Genesis and Revenge-the cover even has Sarah wearing the Thal outfit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Device_of_Death

 

[DWF]

DWF, I concocted the same idea years ago concerning the Doctor's programming of Xoanon which resulted in the cultural split. And, as far as I can remember, independent of interaction with other fans. I thought, "Why can't the Doctor remember his first visit, especially since he had companions travel with him from the start? What would make him forget?" Then I thought about about Davison's post regenerative trauma, being "out of it" for a couple of episodes. Hey! That might be the ticket! Baker's Doctor was still "rattled" from his recent regeneration. It would even explain why Xoanon developed its "mania". But when could have the Doctor left to perform those actions, still partially delirious from regeneration? Why, the scene when Sarah and the Brigadier find Harry Sullivan "truseed up like a pair of old boots". In fact, we even heard the "groaning" of the TARDIS' engines. "But it never dematerialized," some will counter. From our perspective, maybe not, but who's to say the TARDIS didn't start to dematerialize and then, mere pico-seconds "out of phase", the Doctor is returning from that adventure?

However, I will admit there is a fundimental flaw with that notion. The cliff-side portrait of the Doctor seems to sport his iconic scarf. Yet, when the Doctor opens the police box door, responding to sarah's pleas, he's still wearing the nightshirt when he trussed up Harry.

A less intriguing notion is that the Doctor's first encounter with Xoanon was simply an "unseen" adventure someone after the events of "Revenge of the Cybermen" when the TARDIS finally caught up with our trio. (As presented, there was really no point during Baker's first series when he could have traveled to the Sevateen planet. The dialog omplies the gang "vworp" immediately at the end of "Robot" to the Nerva station in "Ark in Space". At its conclusion they teleport to earth in the "Sontaran Experiment". From that point, their teleport beam is intercepted and redirected by the CIA and aimed at Skaro for the "Genesis of the Daleks". And using the time ring given the Doctor, the troupe make their way back to Nerva to experience the "Revenge of the Cybermen". Even at the end of that story, the dialog suggests the Doctor, sarah and Harry head straight back to "present day" Earth responding to a space/time telegraph message the Brigadier transmitted. After point, the field is "wide open".

I just like the idea of the Doctor having an entire adventure in the "blink of an eye", so quick it doesn't even appear he left.

Sincerely,

Bill

Actually it's the novel of The Face OF Evil that, that theory came from and IMO it's still a fairly logical theory.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Honestly though, have none of you ever looked in a mirror and made a comment to yourself along these lines?

Aloud? Half surprised? Something like "Ah, could've been worse. Look at the ears"? No, I can't say it ever happened to me.

 

[Venardhi]

He doesn't look or act at all surprised. He just kind of considers himself and shrugs.

Saying such thoughts aloud has been a conceit of drama since drama has existed, though he would be far from the first person to speak an idle thought aloud to himself.

 

[Redfern]

Actually it's the novel of The Face OF Evil that, that theory came from and IMO it's still a fairly logical theory.

I can honestly claim I didn't get the idea from that novel since the only adaptations I've ever read were Terrence Dick's version of "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" and "The Five Doctors".

Yeah, tragic, I know.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Andrew_Kearley]

As presented, there was really no point during Baker's first series when he could have traveled to the Sevateen planet. The dialog omplies the gang "vworp" immediately at the end of "Robot" to the Nerva station in "Ark in Space".

That is certainly the impression given on screen, but we don't know that the Tardis didn't just flit round the Earth a couple of times and then return to UNIT HQ. It's not the most comfortable fit, but the comic strip Death Flower! and most the stories in the 1976 Doctor Who Annual have got to fit in there somewhere. And the Doctor's original visit to Pesca.

 

[DWF]

As presented, there was really no point during Baker's first series when he could have traveled to the Sevateen planet. The dialog omplies the gang "vworp" immediately at the end of "Robot" to the Nerva station in "Ark in Space".

That is certainly the impression given on screen, but we don't know that the Tardis didn't just flit round the Earth a couple of times and then return to UNIT HQ.

Because we know that Harry got the console and their quick trip to the moon ended with the TARDIS in the far future.

 

[Andrew_Kearley]

I said it wasn't a comfortable fit! But there really is nowhere else to put "Death Flower!" than immediately after Robot. And once we establish that the Doctor doesn't go immediately shooting off into the whole Nerva Beacon/Time ring arc, then we get a place to put things like the Xoanon incident - and to answer an earlier question, it means the Doctor was indeed wearing his scarf on that occasion. So I may be ignoring the intent of a couple of lines of dialogue in "The Ark in Space", but it's a small sacrifice to make.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Well, here's a quote from Russell T. Davies himself, that puts some light to this "issue":

Well, I hate being prescriptive here, cos sometimes, when I give an opinion on a scene, because I'm the writer and producer, it can become a fact. When I much prefer it if you make your own mid up. But enough time has passed now so, for the record... No, I do not think he'd just regenerated. If you have certain physical features like big ears, or buck teeth, you look at them and sigh at them every time you look in the mirror. And I think, if you'd had eight different faces, even if you'd been in this current form for a hundred years, you'd still mutter at them. So it was meant as a nod to the fact that he'd once had other faces. But I wrote the Titanic stuff and Krakatoa assuming that the Ninth Doctor had been around for a while. He doesn't act very post-regeneration, does he? He appears in command, waving a bomb. This is a man who knows himself, and has known himself for a while.

 

[MacLeod]

^Perhaps but how often do we vocalise those opinions about our apperance? It's one thing to think about it but another to vocalise it.

 

[JoeZhang]

^Perhaps but how often do we vocalise those opinions about our apperance? It's one thing to think about it but another to vocalise it.

I do it all the time about my lack of hair.

 

[The Wormhole]

^Perhaps but how often do we vocalise those opinions about our apperance? It's one thing to think about it but another to vocalise it.

TV and movies often have characters vocalizing things real people would typically keep in their heads. It makes things more interesting to watch and is easier to arrange than voiceovers.

 

[JoeZhang]

^Perhaps but how often do we vocalise those opinions about our apperance? It's one thing to think about it but another to vocalise it.

TV and movies often have characters vocalizing things real people would typically keep in their heads. It makes things more interesting to watch and is easier to arrange than voiceovers.

Yes if we got into that sort of thing, we'd have to note that people in TV just hang up on other people and that is considered perfectly normal...

 

[Iamnotspock]

^Perhaps but how often do we vocalise those opinions about our apperance? It's one thing to think about it but another to vocalise it.

Gallifreyans do it all the time, for the reasons RTD suggests.

 

[JoeZhang]

^Perhaps but how often do we vocalise those opinions about our apperance? It's one thing to think about it but another to vocalise it.

TV and movies often have characters vocalizing things real people would typically keep in their heads. It makes things more interesting to watch and is easier to arrange than voiceovers.

Yes.... turns to TV... tries to make no spoilers...

(today's episode).