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Romulan warbirds forced quantum singularity as alternative to Starfleet warp drive (dilithium)

I don't see a solid reason to assume that dilithium isn't used on Romulan vessels. Troi says that they use an artificial singularity as their power source, beyond that who knows how it all works? It's possibly worth noting that when a Romulan warp core breaches it produces an explosion basically identical to that of a Starfleet ship under the same circumstances.
 
Maybe they use dilithium on ships that didn't use forced quantum singularity as power sources and they could be using it for trading. Plus dilithium may have other uses outside of regulating M/AM reactions.

I would surmise that when we saw the Romulan Warbirds in TNG, it may have been the first instance of Forced Quantum Singularity as a power source appearing.

Obviously, all Warbirds would be using them... but perhaps not every single ship in the Romulan fleet (for example, we don't know if their scout ships use the same technology... and who knows how many other classes of ships they had - so, apart from the D'Deridex class warbirds, maybe no other ship was using Quantum Singularity as a power source).

The Narada for example wasn't mentioned that it has forced quantum singularity for a power source - but the 2009 movie wasn't that big on giving us technological details (sans the Transwarp beaming which Scotty managed to get working in late 24th century... but of course, that also doesn't apparently exist in the 32nd century - or at least we hadn't seen it in use yet).

Each Warbird needs to come with an engineering manual to allow the chief engineer to help repair it - and I doubt the Romulans lost all their D'Deridex class ships or simply phased them out of service given how massive (and as such useful) they are.

We also don't know if the Warbirds from Star Trek: Nemesis movie used FQS or M/AM.

Though, the technology could have been suppressed by the Tal'Shiar (which could have kept it for itself) when Shinzon took power, and after the events of Star Trek Picard, it may have faded into history - plus with the reunification with Vulcan in the next few centuries, the Romulans may have decided to 'let go' of their empirical aspects and technology (leave it behind).

The Romulans had several major events which upset the balance of power against them:
1. Shinzon coup and the Scimitar (which was a ridiculously overpowered ship - not impossible to make given what Trek technology is capable of mind you, just that because of how powerful it was, it would have been able to go against small fleets of ships and win... which means that Shinzon could have crippled the Romulan fleet more or less - and the Scimitar being built in secret on Remus, likely used Dilithium and M/AM).

2. Supernova which destroyed Romulus star. This would also push the Romulans to the brink... especially if most of their production facilities were that star system (although, this makes little sense for a space-faring species that calls itself an EMPIRE - which implies they would need to have production facilities throughout their empire).

As for why Starfleet never used it... writer choice... and beats me.
There are multiple power sources they could have pursued over M/AM and dilithium right after Voyager got back, but apparently, this never happened (probably for the purpose of 'drama' to make the Burn work).

Even the fact that Starfleet knew during TNG already that FQS technology existed (they knew Romulans had it) they should have been able to make it themselves in the next few decades (maybe 50 to 100 years maximum given their level of technology and overall knowledge).

This is likely the case of writers not paying enough attention to Trek history (even though its not that difficult to look up), and then taking into account the fact that 930 years (after mid 23rd century) is a ridiculously long amount of time... time enough that Starfleet would have been gone beyond dilithium and M/AM by late 25th century realistically.

I'm sure though the writers will undoubtedly say that FQS also needed dilithium to regulate energy... which doesn't make sense because dilitihum was specifically mentioned that its needed to regulate M/AM reactions... FQS wouldn't need that.

@GeneralMartok12
I'm also from Croatia. :-)
And good question, but honestly, Trek writers, consistency, and viable explanations seldom go hand in hand.

Hi Deks, it is great to have colleague from Croatia on this board, especually with such deep knowledge in Star Trek. :)

Maybe we encounterd before, on some Croatian boards - former SF Centar, USS Croatia, or Forum.hr sci-fi subforums, who knows ;)
 
I don't see a solid reason to assume that dilithium isn't used on Romulan vessels. Troi says that they use an artificial singularity as their power source, beyond that who knows how it all works? It's possibly worth noting that when a Romulan warp core breaches it produces an explosion basically identical to that of a Starfleet ship under the same circumstances.
Yes, indeed. There is a lot of assumptions regarding Romulan war drives without much evidence.
 
In TNG we were told that the Romulan drive was less efficient and slower than the Federation equivalent. It also couldn’t be turned off once activated.
Seems like when the remaining Romulans joined the Federation, they adopted Federation tech.
 
The bottom line is that the Romulans had a huge dilithium mine on Remus. Ergo, they used dilithium in some way, shape or form. Unless they were mining it to sell it.
 
it was busy work for Remans and clones.

It could also be a form of Romulan punishment/prison.
And secretive or not, the Romulans did engage with other cultures... so its possible they were mining dilithium for trade.
 
Romulans probably have lots of shuttles that use M/A-M just like StarFleet.

We saw how many tiny shuttles / fighters Shinzon had on the Scimitar, each of those needs Dilithium.

Imagine how many Shuttles / Fighters each D'Deridex holds given it's giant size.

Just because your large ships don't require Dilithium doesn't mean your auxiliary craft doesn't need it.

In TNG we were told that the Romulan drive was less efficient and slower than the Federation equivalent. It also couldn’t be turned off once activated.
Seems like when the remaining Romulans joined the Federation, they adopted Federation tech.
What ep was that stated in? Even if it's "Less Efficient", it still generates a boat load of power, more than enough to compete with a Galaxy Class or more than a Galaxy Class. And theoretically, AQS reactors shouldn't have the same dependencies as M/A-M reactors.
 
Yes, indeed. There is a lot of assumptions regarding Romulan war drives without much evidence.

The same way so many people assumed the Romulans didn't have warp capability at all from the line "simple impulse" in BOT. Even if that ship didn't have warp, or it's warp reactor was powered down or diverted to the cloak, it didn't mean the rest of their fleet didn't have warp.
 
A singularity derive does not need antimatter. Why have Dilithium if it mediated M/AM reactions?
If you could describe for us in detail how the warp drive on a Romulan Warbird works, maybe one of us can point out where the dilithium is used?
 
A warp core to both phase shift and time travel? They'd be crazy to abandon it. ;)
 
Minor Radiation + Cloaked Romulan Warbird caused O'Brien to timeshift.

It's possible that the technology was found to be potentially too harmful due to interactions with other technologies.

Nah.
Not enough of a reason to abandon it.
What happened to O'brien was a hiccup at best... and an accident.
Given the evidence we have on anomalies interacting with Warp drive for example, the Federation should have abandoned that technology in favor of something far better... but according to the writers, they did not.
In this sense I doubt 1 hiccup from Ds9 would have warranted it.

If you could describe for us in detail how the warp drive on a Romulan Warbird works, maybe one of us can point out where the dilithium is used?

Can anybody?
Without gaining access to a Romulan Warbird, I don't think we can.
However, going off what we know in-canon, dilithium is SPECIFICALLY used to regulate M/AM reactions (explosions that go off when matter and antimatter annihilate each other).

If you go by this it gives you a bit of an insight into what it might look like:
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/201...detecting-advanced-spacefaring-civilizations/

"However it can be seen from examining equation (1) that the evaporation rate goes inversely with the cube of singularity, which means that the emitted power (=mc2/tev) goes inverse with the square of the mass. Thus if the singularity could be made small enough, very large amounts of power could theoretically be produced."

In the absence of M/AM (aka, using a forced Quantum Singularity), you wouldn't need dilithium for regulating the explosive reactions because all you're doing is basically capturing massive energy which the singularity itself is generating (in which case, you are effectively bypassing the explosion part to generate power which is emitted by the singularity itself... but, the Romulans may have to 'feed' it at certain intervals to keep it from collapsing given its size (albeit this is highly unlikely if the thing can exist for long periods of time).
A formation of a quantum singularity in real life would mean that it would essentially be pulling in background radiation - or in the case of a Romulan ship, this could mean energy which is fed through the ship's EPS grid possibly - aka, the thing has a 'tap line' which occasionally sends it power... and if you need more energy, you just divert more for a 'burst').

Next to various limitations of M/AM cores, I was surprised that Starfleet never developed this technology.
Furthermore, to me it seemed as if the Romulans had more advanced power generation technology vs the Federation (which was all the more curious because when Voyager encountered that relay network which stretched the entire DQ, it was noted that each station was powered by a quantum singularity roughly 2cm in size, and to them, it seemed like 'advanced technology' - hello, the Romulans use it in the Alpha Quadrant and you knew about it for years).

This reminds me... Voyager took a lot of sensor scans of those relay stations and how they contain the quantum singularity for power generation. Its actually even MORE surprising that Starfleet couldn't make their own non-dilithium and non M/AM power generation cores using those sensor scans as a starting point since Voyager brought back - its conceivable they'd be able to create their own power cores in the next 10 to 20 years... well, actually much less if they applied automation/AI/algorithms to research and development... the 10-20 years (possibly up to 30 years) period would be for field runs and preparation for integration on a large scale.
 
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