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Romulan Space in DS9

I forget exactly what was said in ITPM, but is the map pictured above supposed to actually represent Cardassia's location relative to that of the Romulan Empire? Or could the Dominion/Cardassian symbols simply be their closest holdings to Romulus? My brain's tired. :D
 
The Star Charts map actually tries to be faithful even to that funny perspective view that Andrew Probert created for TNG. You could overlay that, too, on the Charts, and have everything match - except for the real stars, which Probert put in the wrong places.

The image above is not of the original Probert map, to be sure, but of one doctored with additional names like Bajor and Cardassia. It's probably still "official", though, in the sense that the doctoring we see was quite probably done by Okuda for use in the early seasons of DS9 (we see it in Keiko's schoolroom once or twice). Or then it could be a fan interpretation...

The idea of the Jem'Hadar using Romulan space "indirectly", through a long "Hail Mary" hooking maneuver, is derived directly from the DS9 war room wall charts that have the position of Cardassia nailed down, and show the Romulan symbol to the far right, at the end of the hook. The idea that Earth sits in the center of the hook is speculation, based on distance estimates and the otherwise well-established idea that Earth should be between Romulan/Klingon space and Cardassian homelands.

I think the most relevant chart here is the one that wasn't considered when drawing up Star Charts, though: the one we see in TNG "Birthright". There, the Carraya prison camp is shown in Romulan space on a map that also features DS9's location. Unfortunately, this chart isn't among the TrekCore screencaps. Anybody willing to do a capture?

Timo Saloniemi

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On the star charts stuff I actually went to the half-effort of comparing their quadrant(s) map with one that showed the Dominion lines during the war a couple of years ago. Lazy scan so I didn't go for accuracy. The Bajor and Cardassia from both the big map and the one that was from a set piece line up and if the rest is in scale that's how it would roughly overlay in 2D.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/jrofeta/Chart02.jpg

From it you can see how sort of matches the show. Theres the Fed front, Klingon and Romulan fronts, how a system like Vulcan could be at risk...though how the fall of Betazed put Andor at risk makes no sense in this map. Nor does Betazed falling in 6 months or it being considered relatively safe since it is in the middle of the outsweep towards Klingon space next next to Cardassian space. Though of course this map is taking something that is 3d and making it 2d and many other issues that would make the planet placement very iffy.

rofeta, that's really nice! :) I'd always thought that was pretty much how the line worked - the Fed is cut in half and the Dominion crosses around behind the Feds to flank the Federation.

And I don't get the hate for 'Star Charts' either. There are a couple of mistakes? Big deal. Show me a Trek book without mistakes.
 
That's some cool stuff. Lines up with my notion of the Dominion carving a huge salient into Federation space, but unable to budge them from the "Western Front" of Bajor.
 
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Yeah, that must be it... A thousand thanks!

Too bad it didn't show what I thought it would show: a relationship between DS9/Bajor or Cardassian space on one hand and the Romulan Star Empire on the other.

Then again, since it doesn't show that, it doesn't contradict anything in Star Charts, either, so I'm actually quite happy about it. Now the only thing we have to worry about is that a relatively tiny shuttle got from DS9 to Carraya in a relatively short time... :vulcan:

But we never do learn how long exactly the trip took, so that's no biggie, either.

As for the comment on "separate globs of UFP" earlier on, why, that's exactly what Probert's graphic shows as well! And a separate glob to the right (or antispinward) is very handy, because we know the Feds have a presence at Canopus which lies just there, but we also want to think the Romulans and Klingons are in that direction and somewhat closer than Canopus.

There's no doubt a 3D tendril or three that connect the glob to UFP proper - much like they connect dozens of others. Such narrow passages are story elements in some Trek episodes, be they dictated by natural phenomena or political borders.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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