Romulan Civil War

[captcalhoun]

every book?

where was she in Resistance and Before Dishonour?

AFAIK, she's in DiW, TW, TRK, AOTF (mentioned) and Q&A and that's all...

 

[ironduke555]

I agree on Donatra she annoys me to no end.As for the Klingons they are all about expansion and agression who cares about their honor code crap. We knew what the Soviets stood for but that dosen't mean we where buddies. I can understand wanting peace but at stabbing your morals in the back. I thought Feds where made of stern laws and freedom. And if anybody wants to free some races how about the enslaved races of the Klingon empire.

 

[alicelouise]

A Romulan Civil War. An interesting novel would be a ruinous civil war and The Romulans trying to establish a fledgling democracy. There would be problems of warring factions and even vignettes of the Average Romulan really trying to bring this into existence. There could even be a Fed presence which helps and complicates thing at the same time.

In a Star Trek series they'd either have it as a total flop or an unqualaified success all in the space of a single season.

Even with the best intentions and efforts, difficulties establishing Rule of Law, Property Rights, Freedom of Conscience and Speech are difficult to establish or graft on to a society that doesn't have a concept of them(or to be fair if they haven't had them in a while).

 

[JD]

I really don't think the Klingon's honor code can be described as crap. Over the past 20 years we have gotten plenty of proff that it is definitely not taken lightly by the (majority of) Klingons.

 

[alicelouise]

The Original Series was interesting in that hypocrisy on the part of the Federation showed up in episodes. In the Cloud Minders the Federation turned a blind eye to slave labor on one of their member worlds. They had a valuable natural resource. It oculd only be mined with manual labor. In a Private Little War, the Federation arms one side on a world the Klingons the other. Now that the Feds and Klingons are best buds you wonder about the status of that poor little world.

Getting back to the thread: from the Romulan POV wouldn't you see the Feds as a wee bit sanctimonious and devious in their own way? Even I can roll my eyes when Captains Picard, Kirk and Janeway go on about the honorable ideals of the Federation. Who's to say they didn't walk off in a huff after finding out what happened in Ds9s Pale Moonlight? Of course, someone in their government could have been in cahoots with Garak and the Feds.

IF there were to be an alliance, the Romulans would also have to put up with their patronizing Vulcan brothers. This was shown quite well in the Enterprise series vis a vis Vulcans and Humans.

The Romulans seem to be ignored because the Trek writers don't know what to do with them. Humans might even find them a more likeable type. Just a note there are more Romulan/Human hybrids documented in the Star Trek verse than Vulcan/Humans. This being when they are in a state of armed truce.

 

[ironduke555]

All I ask is for the Feds to keep the Klingons out of any civil war the Romulans may end up fighting.Just as the Feds stopped Romulan involvement in the Klingon civil war. I'm just asking for fairness from the great UFP.

 

[alicelouise]

Warlike? The entire Alpha Dog Quadrant is warlike. In the Star Trek verse all of Earth is prosperous/no poverty. I'ts easy to be enlightened in that environment and consider less drastic options than war.

On Star Trek series and movies Romulans are not universally prosperous. Hence their desire to kill people, break things and acquire real estate(think of that great Romulan King Henry V as documented by Shakespeare).

 

[Trent Roman]

First of all, don't you think you're treating this a tad too personally? Secondly, there are two important differences between the Klingon Civil War and the current situation in the Star Empire. Firstly, the Romulan involvement in the Klingon conflict was subversive, hidden. The Federation dragged the foreign manipulation of events out into the light. So far, the involvement of the Federation and the Klingons in Romulan affairs has been totally overt and above the board: offering themselves as mediators, or making official diplomatic recognition of Donatra's splinter nation. Secondly, the Klingons are allies and the Romulans are not. When it became obvious that the Klingon government that being attacked by an internal faction allied with an outside power, the Federation was able to respond per their pledge of mutual protection against Romulan aggression. The Federation has no such treaties with the Romulans, which is really the Romulans' fault and not lack of good faith on the Federation's part; if the Klingons choose to invade Romulan territory, the Federation could certainly voice it's discontent and maybe even put economic pressure on the Klingons to halt hostilities, but they have no grounds on which to intervene militarily.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[ironduke555]

Then the UFP would show every other power in the galaxy what hypocrites they truly are. Klingon lap dogs just like when the Klingons attacked the Cards. Sorry everyone we preach one thing then look the other way.

 

[captcalhoun]

uh, what? Klingon lap-dogs when Sisko went and rescued the entire Detapa Council, proved they weren't Founders, negating the entire Klingon casus belli, and then fought off an attack on DS9? i'd hardly call that being lap-dogs.

you're weird.

 

[-Brett-]

captcalhoun said:
every book?

where was she in Resistance and Before Dishonour?

So there are two TNG era novels in as many years in which they managed to resist the urge to cram her in, and that proves that she hasn't been overused?

 

[Sxottlan]

alicelouise said:
The Romulans seem to be ignored because the Trek writers don't know what to do with them.

Well that or, in my opinion, the Romulans just aren't very interesting.

 

[captcalhoun]

-Brett- said:

captcalhoun said:
every book?

where was she in Resistance and Before Dishonour?

So there are two TNG era novels in as many years in which they managed to resist the urge to cram her in, and that proves that she hasn't been overused?

she also wasn't in Orion's Hounds. out of 8 books set post NEM, she's in 4 and is mentioned in a fifth. and her role in one of the four she is in, is a cameo. still not seeing her as being 'crammed' in or over used.

 

[Therin of Andor]

captcalhoun said:
she also wasn't in Orion's Hounds. out of 8 books set post NEM, she's in 4 and is mentioned in a fifth. and her role in one of the four she is in, is a cameo. still not seeing her as being 'crammed' in or over used.

When Kamarag turned up (unnamed) in ST IV, he started popping up in the literature all over the place. Ditto the Federation Presidents of IV and VI.

Donatra is a significant known Romulan. Just like the Female Romulan Commander of TOS went on to guest star in many, many novels.