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[Sci]

Wasn't Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, originally, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan?

I've never heard that before. But either way, The Wrath of Khan was very clearly a sequel to Star Trek: The Motion Picture, whereas Star Trek (2009) very clearly is not.

As I understand it, the movie was originally supposed to be The Revenge of Khan, but the upcoming next Star Wars film was (falsely) believed to be titled The Revenge of the Jedi, so the Star Trek movie was renamed.

If anything, The Wraith of Khan was a sequel to the TOS episode Space Seed and not The Motion Picture. In terms of style, action adventure, TWoK was more closely tied to the series.

It used the same sets, the same models, the same actors, the same characters, and it followed up on developments made in TMP. And it whatever its early title might have been, it was, at the end of the day, called Star Trek II.

It was a sequel to Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Star Trek Eleven is far more a sequel to it's immediate predecessor Star Trek Nemesis, consider ...

You've pointed out parallels in their stories, not identified ways in which one story directly followed up on the other. At the end of the day, Star Trek (2009) is no more a sequel to Star Trek: Nemesis just because both involve Romulans with big ships than Batman Begins is a sequel to Batman & Robin just because both involve Batman saving Gotham City.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You say "lumped in" like it's including Star Trek XI with a bunch of bad movies, when in fact it's the complete opposite.

No.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

This thread is funny on many levels.

We Brits made a film called "The Madness of King George" in the nineties. It was actually a film about The Madness of King George III (the third), but in order not to confuse the Yanks it was decided they would drop the "III". The producers didn't want Americans to think "I've not seen the first and second films, so I won't bother with this", thus eliminating an entire market.

This urban legend has been debunked by none other than the film's director. It is reputedly popular, because British people apparently love to tell stories to each other about how dumb Americans are.

Making themselves look like idiots in the process. Love it.

Yknow, I wondered if that were an urban legend. It just has the earmarks of one...

 

[Vanyel]

[the upcoming next Star Wars film was (falsely) believed to be titled The Revenge of the Jedi,

Actually, that's not so false. Revenge of the Jedi was indeed the actual working title of Star Wars Episode VI. My uncle even has a poster from the theatrical re-release of A New Hope in 1982 which has a banner in the corner saying "includes a preview of Revenge of the Jedi." The title was changed because George Lucas felt that vengeance isn't the Jedi way, so we got Return of the Jedi instead.

Just take a look at my Avatar.

I just put a larger version in my album if any wants to have a look-see.

 

[JarodRussell]

You say "lumped in" like it's including Star Trek XI with a bunch of bad movies, when in fact it's the complete opposite.

No.

Yes.

 

[Sci]

You say "lumped in" like it's including Star Trek XI with a bunch of bad movies, when in fact it's the complete opposite.

No.

Yes.

I'm sorry, but between Star Trek: Nemesis, Star Trek: Insurrection, Star Trek Generations, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, it is lumping in Star Trek (2009) with a bunch of movies that are, if not out and out bad, thoroughly mediocre.

 

[TrekkieFroog]

I've always assumed that the next (Star Trek) movie would be entitled "So Very Tired," in honour of the Simpsons. <shrug>

dJE

I LOLd on this

All I have to say is JJ can't make Star Trek XII until he has finished promotion for the highly anticipated eighth installment of the Super series, 'Super 8'. LOL

 

[Therin of Andor]

As I understand it, the movie was originally supposed to be The Revenge of Khan, but the upcoming next Star Wars film was (falsely) believed to be titled The Revenge of the Jedi, so the Star Trek movie was renamed.

Not quite. It was "The Vengeance of Khan". (The UK Corgi model ships for ST II had "The Vengeance of Khan" printed on their backer cards.) Lucas asked Paramount if it not be so similar to "Revenge of the Jedi", then SW fans pointed out that revenge was not the Jedi way. By then, ST II was firmly "The Wrath of Khan".

 

[JarodRussell]

No.

Yes.

I'm sorry, but between Star Trek: Nemesis, Star Trek: Insurrection, Star Trek Generations, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, it is lumping in Star Trek (2009) with a bunch of movies that are, if not out and out bad, thoroughly mediocre.

No.

 

[Sci]

Yes.

I'm sorry, but between Star Trek: Nemesis, Star Trek: Insurrection, Star Trek Generations, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, it is lumping in Star Trek (2009) with a bunch of movies that are, if not out and out bad, thoroughly mediocre.

No.

Well, that convinces me. Obviously, "Give me your pain" will go right up there with such classic lines from American cinema as "Here's lookin' at you, kid," and "Rosebud..."

 

[JarodRussell]

I'm sorry, but between Star Trek: Nemesis, Star Trek: Insurrection, Star Trek Generations, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, it is lumping in Star Trek (2009) with a bunch of movies that are, if not out and out bad, thoroughly mediocre.

No.

Well, that convinces me. Obviously, "Give me your pain" will go right up there with such classic lines from American cinema as "Here's lookin' at you, kid," and "Rosebud..."

What line from Trek 2009 will go up there?

 

[T'Girl]

What line from Trek 2009 will go up there?

I think I love you.
That is so weird.

JarodRussell, can't you just feel your eyes welling up?








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[Nerys Myk]

"I've got your gun"

"I may throw up on you"

"space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

"I like this ship...its exciting"

"Relax Cupcake"

"I'm impressed. For a moment there, I thought you were just a dumb hick who only has sex with farm animals."

"It has happened! I watched it happen! I saw it happen!"

 

[GNDN]

"Numb tongue?!?"