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Roman Numerals Ended with "The Undiscovered Country"

The new one will be called Star Trek 2: Star Treker. The third one will be called Star Trek with a Vengeance. And then Live free or Star Trek.
 
This thread is funny on many levels.

We Brits made a film called "The Madness of King George" in the nineties. It was actually a film about The Madness of King George III (the third), but in order not to confuse the Yanks it was decided they would drop the "III". The producers didn't want Americans to think "I've not seen the first and second films, so I won't bother with this", thus eliminating an entire market.

This urban legend has been debunked by none other than the film's director. It is reputedly popular, because British people apparently love to tell stories to each other about how dumb Americans are.

One important fact not mentioned in that linked article is that King George III is one of the few monarchs that almost everyone here in the United States has heard of, Roman numeral and all. This is due to his conspicuous role in American history, as the King of Great Britain during the American Revolution. You've heard of that little incident, right? His name is spoken to every school child here, which in this country raises him to a level of fame that few monarchs enjoy.

People here would no more wonder about what happened to the first two films before "The Madness of King George III" than they would about the first seven before a movie called "Henry VIII."
 
Wouldn't it be interesting if they went the route of the recent Batman films and the next movie was simply called "Starship Enterprise?" The term is actually trademarked, IIRC...
 
Is this really such a problem?

Bond films have no Roman numerals at all and each has a unique title without any preface of
James Bond: Goldfinger or 007 XI: Moonraker

Hasn't been a problem for Bond films for almost 50 years.
Why the hangup for ST?


I have never seen or heard of the 007 movies referred to with roman numerals, just the movie title.

Anyhow, "lumped in" was bad wording on my part. Seems when talking about the movies I've always said First Contact, or Nemesis, never "Star Trek Eight" or "Ten." Come to think of it I don't even refer to the TOS movies by their numeral. Oh well, no big deal. Thanks for the replies. :)
 
This is due to his conspicuous role in American history, as the King of Great Britain during the American Revolution. You've heard of that little incident, right?

Never heard of it. I have no interest in affairs outside of my own country or our 13 colonies.
 
We Brits made a film called "The Madness of King George" in the nineties. It was actually a film about The Madness of King George III (the third), but in order not to confuse the Yanks it was decided they would drop the "III". The producers didn't want Americans to think "I've not seen the first and second films, so I won't bother with this", thus eliminating an entire market.

They were only getting you back for UK's treatment of:
THE VOYAGE HOME
Star Trek IV.
 
I've always assumed that the next (Star Trek) movie would be entitled "So Very Tired," in honour of the Simpsons. <shrug>

dJE
 
1) What else to call it? It sort of forfeits the use of its self-appointed name because it stole that from the original TV series.

"Stole?" It's a licensed film adaptation based upon the original TV series; it has every right to use the same name, just like, say, The Addams Family (1991) had the right to use the same title as the 1960s TV series.

2) It is a sequel even if it tries hard not to be.
No, it's a separate adaptation. Star Treks II-IV were all sequels to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Star Trek (2009) is a separate adaptation of the original series.

1) What else to call it? It sort of forfeits the use of its self-appointed name because it stole that from the original TV series. So it has to be "Star Trek 2009" or "STXI" to create a distinction. And that regardless of whether it's distinguished in any other sense.

The next one will be interesting. Star Trek 2 or Star Trek XII.

The trend of eliminating franchise titles from individual installments is becoming more popular these days. Everyone knew The Dark Knight was a Batman movie even without the word in the title; perhaps the title of the sequel to ST09 will be a phrase strongly associated with Star Trek. Maybe To Boldly Go or The Final Frontier or These Are the Voyages or Where No Man Has Gone Before.
 
I don't like roman numerals either so i would have to agree with you on that.
 
No, it's a separate adaptation. Star Treks II-IV were all sequels to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Star Trek (2009) is a separate adaptation of the original series.

Wasn't Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, originally, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan?

I've never heard that before. But either way, The Wrath of Khan was very clearly a sequel to Star Trek: The Motion Picture, whereas Star Trek (2009) very clearly is not.
 
I I love Roman Numerals, they look cool, they were the first and probably only thing I ever got an A on a math test about, they have panache. P-NACHE.

II I love being able to refer knowingly to Trek films by their numbers and since all my knowing referrals take place in writing I love to use Roman Numerals because it looks even more knowing.

III Anyone who thinks ST:XI is somehow not connected to ST:II and its predecessor is disrespecting the epic journey that is Trek.

IV Star Wars movies are all numbered with Roman Numerals.

V is an incredibly underrated Trek film full of campy fabulousness.
 
We Brits made a film called "The Madness of King George" in the nineties. It was actually a film about The Madness of King George III (the third), but in order not to confuse the Yanks it was decided they would drop the "III". The producers didn't want Americans to think "I've not seen the first and second films, so I won't bother with this", thus eliminating an entire market.

They were only getting you back for UK's treatment of:
THE VOYAGE HOME
Star Trek IV.​

Hm, so my movie poster for
FIRST CONTACT
Star Trek​
is not alone...​
 
Wasn't Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, originally, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan?

Yep. The initial prints sent to each large US cinema for the premiere had no "II" and were replaced about three weeks into the run - and those first prints went off to various international previews and gala premieres, including Sydney, Australia.
 
No, it's a separate adaptation. Star Treks II-IV were all sequels to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Star Trek (2009) is a separate adaptation of the original series.
Wasn't Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, originally, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan?
I've never heard that before. But either way, The Wrath of Khan was very clearly a sequel to Star Trek: The Motion Picture, whereas Star Trek (2009) very clearly is not.
As I understand it, the movie was originally supposed to be The Revenge of Khan, but the upcoming next Star Wars film was (falsely) believed to be titled The Revenge of the Jedi, so the Star Trek movie was renamed.

If anything, The Wraith of Khan was a sequel to the TOS episode Space Seed and not The Motion Picture. In terms of style, action adventure, TWoK was more closely tied to the series.

Star Trek Eleven is far more a sequel to it's immediate predecessor Star Trek Nemesis, consider ...

Bald Shinzon in big Romulan ship ...... Bald Nero in big Romulan ship
Picard rams big Romulan ship ............George rams big Romulan ship
Big Romulan ship to attack Earth ....... Big Romulan ship to attack Earth



:)
 
The Roman numeral thing (or Arabic numeral, for that matter) is relatively new, dating back back to seventies or so. Before that, sequels had real titles like Son of Frankenstein, Tarzan and the Leopard Woman, or Escape from the Planet of the Apes. Which always struck me as more fun than, say, Jaws 2.

I imagine the new movie will simply go with a subtitle and no number. Star Trek: Red Matter or whatever.
 
[the upcoming next Star Wars film was (falsely) believed to be titled The Revenge of the Jedi,

Actually, that's not so false. Revenge of the Jedi was indeed the actual working title of Star Wars Episode VI. My uncle even has a poster from the theatrical re-release of A New Hope in 1982 which has a banner in the corner saying "includes a preview of Revenge of the Jedi." The title was changed because George Lucas felt that vengeance isn't the Jedi way, so we got Return of the Jedi instead.
 
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