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Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

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I noticed back in December as did a few other people. People probably didn't point it out because spoilers.

Not a lot of people would have because the focus is on the guy in the centre.
 
Well I certainly didn't notice it at the time, but then I really wasn't scrutinising every detail. Call me crazy but I'd rather the movie surprise me.

Even if I had though, I'm not sure I would have even made the connection. Could just have easily been a badly wounded rebel solder or some unrelated piece from a different production the creature show might have been working on.

Honestly until I saw it, it never occurred to me that Vader ever got out of the suit. I'd always thought that aside from taking the helmet off inside his meditation sphere, he was more or less permanently hard-wired into that thing.
 
Well I certainly didn't notice it at the time, but then I really wasn't scrutinising every detail. Call me crazy but I'd rather the movie surprise me.

Even if I had though, I'm not sure I would have even made the connection. Could just have easily been a badly wounded rebel solder or some unrelated piece from a different production the creature show might have been working on.

Honestly until I saw it, it never occurred to me that Vader ever got out of the suit. I'd always thought that aside from taking the helmet off inside his meditation sphere, he was more or less permanently hard-wired into that thing.
As had I. I think I took a lot from the ESB novel from the meditation chamber, and how the intrusion was quite improper because of the privacy of the moment.

As for the BTS reveal, didn't notice and, frankly, didn't care. It was a unique take on Vader's ability, and also removes any issue with any continuity issues of changes to the suit. I imagine that it wasn't common for Vader to do so, because it likely was a lengthy process.
 
They could film the "Dark lord: rise of Darth Vader" novel
I would love that! And with a few minor tweaks (with the Clones) and maybe adding in some more recognizable Jedi characters with unknown fates, it could be a great movie that wouldn't interfere with continuity.
 
Since the book was written and released well before the revelation of the clone biochips in season 6 of The Clone Wars, the clones in the book are shown as being capable of questioning and refusing order 66.
 
^Frankly that's the kind of detail it would have been nice to have in the movie for the sake of clarification, though I suspect it's also the kind of detail most of the audience wouldn't care about.

It just bugged me that the clones were depicted as individualistic when it was convenient, but then they mindlessly attacked the Jedi the minute they got some random order. It also kind of begs the question of how Order 66 was established to begin with. Obviously the Jedi weren't aware that the clones might turn on them if anyone ever told the clones to follow said order.
 
^Frankly that's the kind of detail it would have been nice to have in the movie for the sake of clarification, though I suspect it's also the kind of detail most of the audience wouldn't care about.

It just bugged me that the clones were depicted as individualistic when it was convenient, but then they mindlessly attacked the Jedi the minute they got some random order. It also kind of begs the question of how Order 66 was established to begin with. Obviously the Jedi weren't aware that the clones might turn on them if anyone ever told the clones to follow said order.
All the answers you're searching for were quite clearly spelled out in the final season of Clone Wars.
 
You mean that tv show I and many other fans of the SW movies have never watched?
Yes, that TV show that's been out for years that you and three other Star Wars fans have freely chosen not to watch.

Seriously, if you're not willing to check out the ancillary media that explains the thing you fail to understand, you don't have much of a basis to complain that they haven't explained the thing you don't understand. I mean if you really cared that much, you could at least spend the thirty seconds it would take to look it up in Wookieepedia.
 
Yes, that TV show that's been out for years that you and three other Star Wars fans have freely chosen not to watch.

Seriously, if you're not willing to check out the ancillary media that explains the thing you fail to understand, you don't have much of a basis to complain that they haven't explained the thing you don't understand. I mean if you really cared that much, you could at least spend the thirty seconds it would take to look it up in Wookieepedia.
I'll have to respectfully disagree. If you're going to make a movie make a movie. You can't say "Hey, this will all make sense once you've watched this cartoon that we haven't made yet." (Those episodes were made, what, ten years after Revenge of the Sith?)

I loved it when the hammer head ships appeared in Rogue One and then played such a memorable role. But there is no way that it should have been crucial to the plot that those ships were stolen by Princess Leia on Rebels.
 
I'll have to respectfully disagree. If you're going to make a movie make a movie. You can't say "Hey, this will all make sense once you've watched this cartoon that we haven't made yet." (Those episodes were made, what, ten years after Revenge of the Sith?)

This +1.

The movies should stand strongly on their own merit instead of needing a whole TV series (however good it is) to fix all the holes and problems and missing pieces from the movies! :scream:

Kor
 
I believe anything I might have said on the matter has already been said for me. Thanks folks!

For the record, I did do some Wookiepedia reading last night. Doesn't change my feeling that RotS itself should have had a bit more of an explanation for the clones sudden-but-inevitable betrayal than "Palpatine gave us some random order, and now the Jedi must die."
 
I'll have to respectfully disagree. If you're going to make a movie make a movie. You can't say "Hey, this will all make sense once you've watched this cartoon that we haven't made yet." (Those episodes were made, what, ten years after Revenge of the Sith?)

I loved it when the hammer head ships appeared in Rogue One and then played such a memorable role. But there is no way that it should have been crucial to the plot that those ships were stolen by Princess Leia on Rebels.
I don't think it was at all crucial to the plot of RotS to explain the exact mechanics of what was going on with the clones during Order 66.
It was *heavily* inferred that the Sith were behind the creation of the clone army in the first place (an army that was explicitly said to have been bred and conditioned for loyalty), so it's fairly self evident that when Sidious gives a cryptic order and they all simultaneously turn on the Jedi there's some Manchurian Candidate/Night of the Long Knives shenanigans afoot.

The how and the why of the bio-chips and the degree to which the Kaminoans were knowingly complicit is just extraneous detail. Anyone who was paying attention should have been able to put the basic pieces together.
 
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