Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

[fireproof78]

I despair at the thought that anyone thinks this would be a good movie.

But that scene is so cool!!!!!

Yeah, I'll pass on a Vader film too. His comics haven't been bad, but the parts that I have enjoyed are him playing the Imperial political came far better than the officers who think they have him trapped. Not the ruthless slaughter of Rebel soldiers.

 

[Set Harth]

All I am surrounded by is fear.

And dead men.

 

[Reverend]

Unless you count the first 30 years of Star Wars.

You know, you'd be surprised! I vividly recall owing storybooks and the like that featured pictures of Biggs at Toche Station, Luke using a blaster canon in Echo Base and Vader facing off against Royal Guards on the second Death Star.
Then there was the 'Behind the Magic' CDROM (which I still have somewhere), released I think in '97 or '98 and that had a whole load of cut and alternate footage. The Irish Jabba footage, some of the alternate Cantina footage before the re-shoots (yes, they re-shot things back then too!) and of course the Toche Station footage!

But you may very well be right. I hope so. I'm thinking that there being so much alternate material this time as opposed to straight deleted stuff that we'll just get five minutes of it and that's it.

I honestly don't think there were all that many alternate scenes vs. deleted. I think most of it will be the briefing scene since it set the tone somewhat differently and possibly some of the death scenes.

Yeah, I'll pass on a Vader film too. His comics haven't been bad, but the parts that I have enjoyed are him playing the Imperial political came far better than the officers who think they have him trapped. Not the ruthless slaughter of Rebel soldiers.

Yeah but that's Vader post ANH. This could be Vader post RotS, which is an entirely different animal. Still hip deep in blood, hunting down Jedi stragglers & Seperatist hold-outs, maybe even training the first Inquisitors.

Like I said though, if it were me, I'd wouldn't do it from Vader's POV but that of whomever he's hunting. Again, not my first choice (*couch*Kenobi Movie*couch*) but I think it could work with the right script.

 

[Ithekro]

While it might work, I'm not sure if the audience (general I mea) would be ready for a movie where the big antagonist (Darth Vader) is basically the protagonist as he does stuff for the Empire.

Though I know plenty of people that would rather support the Empire anyway. They don't care about the Emperor. They are in it for the rule of law and order, and see the rebels as pirates, terrorists, and criminals...since they first saw it in 1977.

And then you get the Sith wannabes.....

 

[Tallguy]

I just listened to episode 3 of the Star Wars Radio Play yesterday. It's essentially the original and considerably less action packed version of the end of Rogue One.

 

[Reverend]

^ Off topic, but am I the only one that finds it weird listening to the old Radio dramas where the role of Darth Vader is played by Captain Sisko's dad?

 

[Tallguy]

^ Off topic, but am I the only one that finds it weird listening to the old Radio dramas where the role of Darth Vader is played by Captain Sisko's dad?

Well, I was at the right age so my first ever encounter with Mr. Peters was as Darth Vader (Dark Lord of the Sith). So I though it weird that Admiral Cartwright was played by Darth Vader! Yes, yes, critically acclaimed actor and all that. I was young!

 

[Reverend]

Well, I was at the right age so my first ever encounter with Mr. Peters was as Darth Vader (Dark Lord of the Sith). So I though it weird that Admiral Cartwright was played by Darth Vader! Yes, yes, critically acclaimed actor and all that. I was young!

I probably saw him first as Cartwright then in 'To Kill A Mockingbird' *checks IMDB*, oh crap, he was Lucius Fox in BTAS too?!
Anyway, I saw all of that before I ever watch DS9, but to me Brock Peters will still always be Joseph Sisko first and foremost.

 

[JD]

You know, you'd be surprised! I vividly recall owing storybooks and the like that featured pictures of Biggs at Toche Station, Luke using a blaster canon in Echo Base and Vader facing off against Royal Guards on the second Death Star.
Then there was the 'Behind the Magic' CDROM (which I still have somewhere), released I think in '97 or '98 and that had a whole load of cut and alternate footage. The Irish Jabba footage, some of the alternate Cantina footage before the re-shoots (yes, they re-shot things back then too!) and of course the Toche Station footage!

I honestly don't think there were all that many alternate scenes vs. deleted. I think most of it will be the briefing scene since it set the tone somewhat differently and possibly some of the death scenes.

Yeah but that's Vader post ANH. This could be Vader post RotS, which is an entirely different animal. Still hip deep in blood, hunting down Jedi stragglers & Seperatist hold-outs, maybe even training the first Inquisitors.

Like I said though, if it were me, I'd wouldn't do it from Vader's POV but that of whomever he's hunting. Again, not my first choice (*couch*Kenobi Movie*couch*) but I think it could work with the right script.

I think a movie about surviving Jedi on the run from Vader could be good, but like you said the best way to do it would be from the Jedi's perspective, with Vader as a building threat that leads up to a big confrontation at the end. I haven't read them, but I believe the novel Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, and the Purge comics took a similar approach, although they might have done a bit more from Vader's perspective than our theoretical movie would.

 

[fireproof78]

All I am surrounded by is fear.

And dead men.

*cringes*
Ruined a perfectly well done comic series up to that point.

You know, you'd be surprised! I vividly recall owing storybooks and the like that featured pictures of Biggs at Toche Station, Luke using a blaster canon in Echo Base and Vader facing off against Royal Guards on the second Death Star.
Then there was the 'Behind the Magic' CDROM (which I still have somewhere), released I think in '97 or '98 and that had a whole load of cut and alternate footage. The Irish Jabba footage, some of the alternate Cantina footage before the re-shoots (yes, they re-shot things back then too!) and of course the Toche Station footage!

I honestly don't think there were all that many alternate scenes vs. deleted. I think most of it will be the briefing scene since it set the tone somewhat differently and possibly some of the death scenes.

Yeah but that's Vader post ANH. This could be Vader post RotS, which is an entirely different animal. Still hip deep in blood, hunting down Jedi stragglers & Seperatist hold-outs, maybe even training the first Inquisitors.

Like I said though, if it were me, I'd wouldn't do it from Vader's POV but that of whomever he's hunting. Again, not my first choice (*couch*Kenobi Movie*couch*) but I think it could work with the right script.

I'll take two Obi-Wan films before any Vader film.

Honestly, if it was the right script, with the right style, it might work. I'm hedging my bets primarily because there is a lot of stuff that ends up in very much overpower territory, which is what frustrates me. It is a very much a Goldilocks zone for Vader's abilities in a film. While I didn't particularly enjoy the Vader scene in RO, the build up to Vader with his scenes with Krennic, and then his reveal in at the Battle of Scariff was well done. There was a definite sense of dread in his presence in both scenes that I think would get watered down in a full length feature.

But, I could be wrong.

 

[JD]

If anyone is interested I just posted the titles, covers, and descriptions for the Jyn book and the Baze & Malbus book.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

^ Off topic, but am I the only one that finds it weird listening to the old Radio dramas where the role of Darth Vader is played by Captain Sisko's dad?

Mr. Sisko's work in the radio adaption of "The Empire Strikes Back" is chilling. Specifically, after he cuts off Luke's hand! Vader sounds like a bloodthirsty lunatic!

 

[t_smitts]

I also really liked Governor Tarkin.. The CGI was handled well, I thought. The voice acting was a little off, except where they used lines from ANH. Along those lines (har har), I really liked including the brief clips of Red and Gold Leader.. I wonder if they brought in the actor who played Gold Leader to voice over the "on the gate" part of his statement about starting the attack run.

They did.

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It's a pity that they didn't make this movie one year earlier. If they had, the actor who played Red Leader (Drewe Henley, who died in early 2016) might've been in it too. Actually, I read an interview with him in a Star Wars mag in the 90's, where he explain that he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and had to retire form acting after A New Hope.

 

[marillion]

That's so cool! Thanks for posting that.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Saw it yesterday, finally.

Hmm. None of the principal protagonists survive.

I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about CGI being used extensively to make Guy Henry look like Peter Cushing, and on a much more limited basis to make Ingvild Deila look like a young Carrie Fisher. Although I will say that the former turned out a bit, um, rubbery.

The only thing I found the least bit creepy or off-putting about Princess Leia's few seconds of screen time was that she seemed a bit too cheerful, given the number of people who bought the farm obtaining the files. Compare with Mon Mothma's line in RotJ ("Many Bothans died . . . ") Sociopathy seems out-of-character for Princess Leia.

 

[Richard Baker]

I would not say she was happy, more that she was relieved they had obtained the DS plans and there was now hope.

 

[Ithekro]

A bright spot in all the deaths they just faced. And the more deaths they are about to face.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Yes. That's how her expression should have read. It just struck me as too enthusiastic for "relieved." Of course, I've only seen the picture once, and it was only a few seconds of screen time.

I'll also say that my opinion of Michael Giacchino has been growing by leaps and bounds. I never realized that he'd done The Incredibles, but I'd always regarded his work in the Abramsverse ST movies to be the best part. He's done a remarkable job of integrating seamlessly with John Williams' material. Hmm. I'm beginning to think that he could have been the one composer, other than Wendy Carlos herself, who could have scored Tron: Legacy in a way that worked (I may be in the minority, but I thought the Daft Punk score was one of the biggest mistakes in that whole film).

 

[Kor]

The text labeling of the planets felt very "ST09" to me.

Kor

 

[Richard Baker]

The location names did bring me out of the movie but they also fit into the war picture style of the film. Considering how many places they kept jumping around to I imagine the film would have been a bit difficult to understand without them though.