Regardless, it's not really appropriate for this thread.
Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion
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I went and saw the movie for a second time, My thoughts mirror many others on the subject, and a second viewing didn't change it, first 2/3rds pretty dull, uninteresting characters, I understand this movie is supposed to be a "moment" in the universe, and isn't going to go into every character in detail, but still, I think we could have gotten to know the characters a little better with good "Banter" dialog....movies like "Hamburger Hill" and "Alien" used this to great effect. I will say having watched it a second time, while the space battle looked pretty, alot of the action didn't really make much sense, even from a rudimentary tactical standpoint, there was alot of "because it's cool looking" or "because the plot needs it", and honestly, I felt like the Vader scene at the and was really tacked on as fan service.....why the hell would he board the ship? do the rebels not know how to make copies of things? Seriously....if I were the Rebels: "Hey, we just got an alert, Darth Vaders Boarded the Ship, security forces are engaging his troopers now." "Oh really? well good thing we transmitted copies of the plans to EVERY SHIP IN THE FLEET so we make sure they get to Rebel Command!" "Yes Sir, it's been an honor sir, shall I set the ship to auto distruct?" "Yes, At least we won't have died in Vain, we got the plans, and we'll take out Vader, it'll throw the upper levels of the Empire into chaos, set the ship!" BOOM...well, you get the idea. I'm not a pro writer or even a good one by any means.
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For those who thought the movie should have an opening crawl, a fan-made one has got you covered:
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I thought it was pretty good. It actually does a good job of bridging the events and setting up the movie (it could also help with those who didn't quite understand where this movie took place). It also doesn't go too far into revealing things that haven't happened by the start of the movie.
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I thought it was pretty good. It actually does a good job of bridging the events and setting up the movie (it could also help with those who didn't quite understand where this movie took place). It also doesn't go too far into revealing things that haven't happened by the start of the movie.
K-2SO said the file was too huge to transmit normally, which was why the base had such a huge tower. Therefore it is unlikely the starships had enough bandwidth (or whatever the correct term should be) to send out electronic copies. They spent who knows how long downloading it into a small disk which would eventually be transferred to R2-D2 to safe keeping. Long enough there ship was disabled and boarded by Vader before they could make a run for the Tantive IV.
The only functional problem with that fan-made trailer is that it doesn't follow the rules of a Screenplay. Where the first time a proper noun shows up in the screenplay it is all capitalized, which is how it appears in Star Wars.
The only functional problem with that fan-made trailer is that it doesn't follow the rules of a Screenplay. Where the first time a proper noun shows up in the screenplay it is all capitalized, which is how it appears in Star Wars.
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Which doesn't make sense. We're in a universe where a hand-held device can transmit and receive 3-dimensional video in real time and suddenly bandwidth is a problem for the first time ever because of a set of blueprints?
Science-FANTASY.
If we're going to get technical: those files would be comparable to a 3d model, vector graphic or CAD file, all of which are comparatively small.
The 3D graphics we saw of the plans in A New Hope were basically a 2 second doodle compared to the rest.
This was essentially the building plans of a major metropolitan city plus the military defense plans, super laser and reactor schematics and annotations (to blow up, shoot here).
This was essentially the building plans of a major metropolitan city plus the military defense plans, super laser and reactor schematics and annotations (to blow up, shoot here).
I also noticed that there was not one, but four or five progress bars running in parallel, as if the file had to be broken down into more manageable chunks. So "several transmissions" seems about right after all!
Side note: the problem of bandwidth over long distance might also be a reason why holograms are such low resolution, analogy looking things.
According to wookieepedia it's 160km across, so that's a volume of about 2,140,000 cubic kilometres. Also, since the surface is also covered in a shell of structures, that's also a surface area of 80,424.77 km squared.
So yeah, if that's down to every last nut and bolt that's a mind boggling amount of information to transmit.
Given the speed of hyperdrives, it seems that over interstellar distances, using physical couriers for large volumes of data just makes more sense. Especially when something that large can be encoded in the memory systems of a common droid.
I know I've previously argued in favour of an opening crawl (and I stand by that if they ever do an KoTOR era story), but I think I understand why they chose not to this time. This is the first anthology movie and what they do here could set a precedent. By not including it, they free up other anthology film makers from feeling like they need to conform to a rigid format.
Plus as it turns out the film didn't really need it. The story is so close the ANH that any fan should very quickly know what's going on and constructed in such a way that the uninitiated are told what they need within the story. Hense the flashbacks & location tags being Star Wars firsts.
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In reality, the fastest way to get large amounts of data from point A to point B is often physically moving a HDD and not transferring said data across the internet.
^Depends on the data and depends on the connection. Unless you're backing up the *entire internet* there's very little that can't outrun a jet, either in terms of globe crossing speed or financial practicality.
Security is also a concern since there's always a chance even encrypted transmissions can be cracked. I imagine these days the *really* sensitive stuff isn't trusted to any networked system and moved about under armed guard in armoured trucks marked as "toxic waste" for extra added discouragement. At least I hope so.
Security is also a concern since there's always a chance even encrypted transmissions can be cracked. I imagine these days the *really* sensitive stuff isn't trusted to any networked system and moved about under armed guard in armoured trucks marked as "toxic waste" for extra added discouragement. At least I hope so.
That is a given.
They made it a plot point, I'm just arguing it was a dumb one.
And yes, apparently that was Mustafar.
Yup. I raised this point up thread a bit, but there's a possibility that place has some significance to the Sith beyond what went down between Vader and Kenobi. So that might not be the only reason Vader hangs out there, but I'm sure it helps in his "meditations" on the dark side.
On a related note, are people still claiming that Disney & LF have some mandate to avoid mentioning or referencing the Prequel trilogy, because I think this movie pretty much kicks that idea squarely in the teeth.
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I feel like that was a failed and really stupid attempt to hide the Vader reveal.
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