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Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

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I don't see the big deal about that choking line. Granted, it's something that I'd expect to hear out of Anakin as played by Hayden Christensen, but I'm actually okay with that. One should keep in mind, that despite the switch in allegiance, a whole new body and name change, Darth Vader is essentially the same person as Anakin Skywalker, and it only makes sense that some aspects of Anakin's personality would still be present in Vader. Indeed, a problem I've had since the prequels is that it's often hard to imagine Anakin and Vader as the same person, which makes sense to some degree as there's two decades and a massive lifestyle change separating them. But at the same time, certain aspects of a person's personality and attitude stay the same throughout their life regardless how much they change. Vader telling Krennic not to choke on his aspirations felt like Anakin, and is one of the first times that Anakin and Vader actually felt like the same person to me.
 
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It isn't a big deal, but it is distracting. Why wouldn't Vader have said "We tracked you from the Rebel fleet." if that was the case?

Because the opening of ANH presumably comes about 2 minutes after RO ends. Vader tells his Admirals "Get those MFs!" and bam!, they're there. So, he only really needed to say "Not so fast!"


From a certain point of view Vader is correct. Rebel transmissions were beamed to the ship Leia's ship was inside, making it but an escape ship as far as Vader is concerned.

There's a cut scene from ANH:

VADER: Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by --

INTERRUPTING REBEL: Um.. As if! That wasn't THIS ship! It was the one we were docked in --

A QUICK FORCE CHOKING ENSUES. INTERRUPTING REBEL COLLAPSES TO THE FLOOR.

VADER: Several transmissions were beamed to THIS SHIP by Rebel spies...
 
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I don't like retcons. It undermines the original work. Leia coming straight from a battlefield was clearly not the intent of that scene.
 
Has anyone from the production actually said that Rogue one is only minutes from the beginning of A New Hope?

For all we know it could have been hours or a couple days.


For those who like Gaicchino's normally pun filled Track names, here are the alt names for Rogue One's OST

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Well, however long it took to get from Skarif to Tatooine, obviously. Whether a day or an hour or five minutes that span had to be travelled.
 
Why would the Rebel Alliance be dumb enough to allow Leia so close to an impromptu battle in the first place? Jyn could have easily transmitted the Death Star to a Tantive IV that was some distance away from Scarif. The saga has featured transmissions between greater distance.
 
Vader wasn't originally Luke's father either.
That depends on if you consider "Star Wars" or "The Star Wars Trilogy" to be the work in question. I lean towards the latter and the story is better for the twists and turns it took along the way. Obi-Wan was being intentionally misleading to push Luke into his "destiny," here we just have plain old inconsistencies that force the audience to justify it.
 
Why would the Rebel Alliance be dumb enough to allow Leia so close to an impromptu battle in the first place? Jyn could have easily transmitted the Death Star to a Tantive IV that was some distance away from Scarif. The saga has featured transmissions between greater distance.
Long range transmissions can easily be jammed. Passing the information directly can not.

Her adoptive father Bail Organa sent for Leia because he needed someone he could trust with his life. The Rebel Alliance didn't really have a say in the matter, as he never even said specifically who he was referring to, and Leia is not the type to shy away from a fight anyway.
 
At least as presented in RO, Leia was never intended to carry those plans. She was supposed to be on her way to find Obi-Wan.
 
That depends on if you consider "Star Wars" or "The Star Wars Trilogy" to be the work in question. I lean towards the latter and the story is better for the twists and turns it took along the way. Obi-Wan was being intentionally misleading to push Luke into his "destiny,"

So in other words, you do like retcons after all!

Now that is what I call a plot twist.
 
I grew up with the complete unspecialized trilogy and watched all of them a dozen times a year. It is one work in my eyes. Someone born in 2020 may feel the same way about Rogue One but they don't get a vote yet.
 
Why would the Rebel Alliance be dumb enough to allow Leia so close to an impromptu battle in the first place? Jyn could have easily transmitted the Death Star to a Tantive IV that was some distance away from Scarif. The saga has featured transmissions between greater distance.

The novel gives an explanation (though depending on your point of view, not an entirely sensible one).

The only reason that the Tantive IV was docked was because it had been undergoing repairs since before they even left Yavin. Not sure why they couldn't have left it at Yavin to do any repairs though.
 
Leia's been in the thick of the Rebellion for years at this point. Skirting by sometimes barely. She knows she'll get caught someday, but that won't stop her. She has to much of both her real mother and father in her. She is as stubborn as both of them.

In all versions of the story that have made sense, Tantive IV has come into the situation at some point, gets the transmissions and barely escapes in front of Darth Vader's ship. And is then hunted down quickly by Lord Vader who shouldn't normally be able to track the ship through hyperspace, but not only does, but comes out of lightspeed right on top on the Tantive IV as it approaches Tatooine. They attempt to lie with their usual cover story figuring that no one could have followed them that fast. Even when Lord Vader arrives they keep it up. Possibly because the survivors of the airlock didn't mention Lord Vader being present when they too off. Especially if the jump takes only minutes rather than hours or days.

Mind you that Tatooine is only about a sector away from Scariff, while Yavin and Alderaan are on the other side of the Galaxy...as is Jedha for that matter. Jedha is more towards Jakku in the Galactic west while Tatooine and Scariff are Galactic southeast and Yavin is Galactic northeast.

Sidenote: The song "Hope" by Michale Gaicchino is probably the best transition of music from the PT to OT possible at this time. Going from absolute destruction mode Darth Vader to The Imperial March to the opening moments on Tantive IV (Imperial Attack) and the Force Theme.
 
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In all versions of the story that have made sense, Tantive IV has come into the situation at some point, gets the transmissions and barely escapes in front of Darth Vader's ship. And is then hunted down quickly by Lord Vader who shouldn't normally be able to track the ship through hyperspace, but not only does, but comes out of lightspeed right on top on the Tantive IV as it approaches Tatooine.
What versions are those?
 
Leia coming straight from a battlefield was clearly not the intent of that scene.
Nothing in that scene that negates it either, though; just watched EPIV last night and it checks out.

There is absolutely no way that conversation in ANH was going anywhere other than Leia being marched off to Vader's ship in handcuffs. His "interrogation" there was a formality, if you can even call it that.

The stormtroopers busted her hiding in the corridor, Vader knows damn well it's not a consular ship (and choked out the poor captain because he's Vader, he's pissed at what the end of R1 shows us, and because he can), and off they go so Tarkin can squeeze some real truth out of her and solve this Rebel problem once and for all.

And they would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling Jedi!
 
After the Falcon pulls up you just see a bunch of fighters (2 X-Wings, 2 A-Wings, 1 B-Wing & 1 Y-Wing) veer off and it cuts to a reverse shot of the fleet evading. I do recall an impact being described in the novelization, so perhaps that's what you're remembering?

Back in 1983 certain cuts of the film had this extra footage. I saw it in the cut that I viewed at the theater back then. There are articles online about it.
 
I don't like retcons. It undermines the original work. Leia coming straight from a battlefield was clearly not the intent of that scene.

I think it was as few days. Also there was more than one corvette in the battle so Vader probably had to track a few corvettes to finally get Leia's.
 
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