I don't remember the exact line but on my second viewing I watched with this in mind. There's enough looseness in Mon Mothma's reference to the Admiral to fit the Tantive IV getting up there with the droids before he actually leaves.
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I don't remember the exact line but on my second viewing I watched with this in mind. There's enough looseness in Mon Mothma's reference to the Admiral to fit the Tantive IV getting up there with the droids before he actually leaves.
Not sure if answered by others yet, but my assumption would be that those ion bombs only work when the shields are down. A star destroyer without shields still has it's turrets and engines. I would also think that the ground-based ion cannon on Hoth is powerful enough to punch through shields. I haven't seen most of Clone Wars, but I did see one that explains that ion weapons are a new and unexpected thing.
Now that you mention it, I do remember from the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games that the ion cannons would only have their desired effect after you took down the shields. And it took quite a while to get those shields down on the larger ships!
TFA made $2.07 billion, 936 million of which it made domestically. Rogue One won't come anywhere close these numbers, but 500 mil. worldwide would be a huge flop for any Star Wars movie, and I don't see that happening any time soon. After five or six movies, maybe... But Episode VIII is almost certain to do better than Rogue One.
The original plan on Scarif was to get as many Imperials out of the way of Jyn's party so they could get into the base, find, and steal the plans for the Death Star. The troopers are also there to keep the Imperials away from their ride out (the Imperial Cargo Shuttle Bode's on). After the shield wall is closed, their is no way to escape. Because the Rebel fleet is present, instead of attempting to storm the control tower and figure out how to open the shield, they decide they need a way to send a signal out to the Rebel fleet to get the shields down.
The group figures by this point that it is unlikely they can escape so they've resigned themselves to keep the Empire away from tower and Jyn's location as long as possible so the odds of getting out a transmission of the plans is as higher than attempting to fly out. Besides once they manage to get the first signal out to the fleet, their ride gets destroyed and there are only a handful of Rebels left on the planet anyway, and the remains of their air support is dwindling, the U-wings are down as well. There is no escape, only delaying the Empire to give Jyn a chance to succeed.
The few surviving X-wings I believe are destroyed by the time the plans are being sent. As the plans are arriving on the fleet the Death Star arrives. They are out of time. The fleet retreats only to be partially blocked by Darth Vader. The last ship out is Leia's though we don't know for sure when she arrived or if she there in the cruiser the entire time. There were several Corellian corvettes with the fleet so she could have been in any one of them. Since fighters from Yavin arrived after the fleet was in orbit it is possible she arrived later and docked once they had the plans being set to the cruiser, as her ship was faster and was going to head to Tatooine to get Kenobi anyway. As to why she when to Scariff at all? They needed all the help they could get and Leia is not one to stand by and do nothing.
The group figures by this point that it is unlikely they can escape so they've resigned themselves to keep the Empire away from tower and Jyn's location as long as possible so the odds of getting out a transmission of the plans is as higher than attempting to fly out. Besides once they manage to get the first signal out to the fleet, their ride gets destroyed and there are only a handful of Rebels left on the planet anyway, and the remains of their air support is dwindling, the U-wings are down as well. There is no escape, only delaying the Empire to give Jyn a chance to succeed.
The few surviving X-wings I believe are destroyed by the time the plans are being sent. As the plans are arriving on the fleet the Death Star arrives. They are out of time. The fleet retreats only to be partially blocked by Darth Vader. The last ship out is Leia's though we don't know for sure when she arrived or if she there in the cruiser the entire time. There were several Corellian corvettes with the fleet so she could have been in any one of them. Since fighters from Yavin arrived after the fleet was in orbit it is possible she arrived later and docked once they had the plans being set to the cruiser, as her ship was faster and was going to head to Tatooine to get Kenobi anyway. As to why she when to Scariff at all? They needed all the help they could get and Leia is not one to stand by and do nothing.
Leia is useless to them as an operative if the Empire knows shes a rebel. Putting her anywhere near a battlefield makes no sense at all, but if she had to be there, at least have her hiding out behind a moon or something. Not making her an active participant in the operation just raises more questions than the surprise reveal was worth.
Be as it may, she had to be there via the entire plot of A New Hope. There was no real getting around it. The Rebel fleet was not in on the plan and was there to help in whatever way they could. Only after they get the first transmission do they have a real clue what they should be doing other than giving the Empire a black eye and attempting to send support down to Rogue One. The Empire wouldn't know she is there unless they board her ship as with the huge number of Corellian Corvettes there appears to be in the galaxy, her's can blend in anywhere and evade the Empire....if it was anyone else except Darth Vader (or perhaps Thrawn).
I think an early draft was something about Jyn handing the plan over in person to Leia, but that didn't work out well either since it doesn't fit the narrative from A New Hope.
I think an early draft was something about Jyn handing the plan over in person to Leia, but that didn't work out well either since it doesn't fit the narrative from A New Hope.
I'm pretty sure the Tantive IV didn't spend the whole battle docked in that hanger. Indeed I'm fairly certain there was a clear shot of the hanger earlier in the battle and it was empty.
Plus, ordering her ship to dock so they can grab the plans and save as many of the Profundity's crew as possible seems like a very Leia thing to do. Indeed, it's a very Skywalker thing to do.
As for why she's there in the first place, after the Rogues went ahead with the mission anyway and Raddus opted to back them up, it was a case of all or nothing. If the mission failed then the Alliance would be finished, so they committed everything.
And that bit with R2 & Threepio doesn't necessarily create any continuity problem as it's while everyone is still scrambling to launch. The Tantive IV could still have been on the ground at that point and launched a few minutes later with everyone aboard.
Plus, ordering her ship to dock so they can grab the plans and save as many of the Profundity's crew as possible seems like a very Leia thing to do. Indeed, it's a very Skywalker thing to do.
As for why she's there in the first place, after the Rogues went ahead with the mission anyway and Raddus opted to back them up, it was a case of all or nothing. If the mission failed then the Alliance would be finished, so they committed everything.
And that bit with R2 & Threepio doesn't necessarily create any continuity problem as it's while everyone is still scrambling to launch. The Tantive IV could still have been on the ground at that point and launched a few minutes later with everyone aboard.
Bail somehow got back to Alderaan (we guess) and got his instruction to Leia to go get Obi-wan Kenobi. R2 and 3PO are still on Yavin iV when word come in that Rogue One has made it to Scariff, therefore they need to make it to the Tantive IV so they are on it when Vader jumps them over Tatooine. Therefore it has to be present on or near the planet, as has Leia. Unless Bail took the ship and droids to Alderaan first, handed the ship to Leia and told her to go to Scariff to make sure those plans get to the Alliance and while you are out pick me up a Jedi Master, I known one is on Tatooine.
Have the scene go exactly as in the film but cut away with the Rebel with the data card still running from Vader. Jyn and Cassian have their goodbye moment, we linger over Scarif with Vader's fleet in the distance surrounding the few remaining Rebel Alliance ships. A silent beat. We consider for a moment that maybe it was all for naught. Woosh, the Tantive IV comes out of hyperspace.
Capt. Antilles: I told you princess, we're too late. (to rebel pilot) Get us back on course for Tatooine before they spot us.
Communications officer: I have a data signal coming through on Alliance frequencies. Something big.
A moment later the plans for the Death Star take shape as a hologram in front of Captain Antilles
Antilles: What is it?
Leia (now revealed): Hope.
Baaaaaa Dun Da Dun Da Dun Da Diddly...
How about this: both the Tantive IV and the Tantive III are on Yavin. Right after Bail walks out of that conversation with Mon Mothma we see him address Captain Antillies. Now I didn't catch exactly what he said, but presumably it was along the lines of "get your ship prepped for launch, I need you to take Leia on a mission to Tatooine."
He then goes to Leia, briefs her both on what just went down with the Alliance high council and on who Kenobi is and why it's so important she go pick him up. Bail then gets aboard the Tantive III and jumps for Alderaan.
Shortly after, before the Tantive IV is due to lift off, word comes in about Scarif. Raddus orders his forces to rally and prepare to jump to their aid. At this point the council's hand is forced and they commit all their remaining forces to the fleet, including the Tantive IV which wouldn't you know it; is very nearly prepped and ready to launch!
You got a source on that? I believe you I just want to have a source.
I can see why they didn't go for that. We had just had a scene where the plans are transmitted to a Rebel ship, you would simply be redoing the same thing again having the plans transmitted to another ship. Of course what you could have done is have all the rebel ships recieve the tranmission, The Tanative IV makes the jump to hyperspace but before any other ship does an Imperial indicator cruiser jumps in and prevents any other Rebel ships from escaping. True you might have to lose the Vader scene.
I heard it from John Campea on Collider Movie Talk. He just cited sources he spoke to without naming them.
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